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  2. Yodaspirine's Map

    in Scenario Design/Map making

    Posted · Edited by Julius Civilis

    • Old maps are not up to date and you need before to replace in the .xml some words like "mill->storehouse", "scout_tower->defense_tower", "civic_centre->civil_centre", "wall->medium_wall", etc.

    i did the replacements on the easteregg map, because i love it! hehehe

    Did add a few animals,trees and stuff and for eyecandy i switched the place where the Mill was.

    i cant seem to find how to uload it though...

    If more people want it, please tell me how to upload it here!

    thanks for the original again!

  4. Faction: Norse

    in 1,000 A.D.

    Posted · Edited by Julius Civilis

    "Typical farm settlements took the form of a central cluster of buildings enclosed by fences. Outside the fenced areas were the fields used for cultivation or grazing. Each homestead typically consisted of a longhouse and multiple out-buildings."

    http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/Villages.htm

    And those out-buildings look rather like a corral:

    vk_farmhouse_ribblehead.jpg

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/primaryhistory/vikings/who_were_the_vikings/teachers_resources.shtml

    this picture is also an half burried farmstead, like i found in my research, see my previous post.

    They are called "Sel".

    Basicly they build a small version of the longhouse to use as short time house and as stables.

    So it would be the logical replacement for the farmstead.

    (maybe with a townbell fuction for the animals?)

    Since cows where there most valued farm animals we should have a corral that produces cows i think.

    Also those walls seem important too the Vikings, they where shoulder high and there was law too keep them in place.

    We might want to research walls to somehow incorperate them.

    Maybe as walls surrounding the cows while there grazing, and the suggested hayfields?

    hope it helps

    PS if you need any pics/info i can still ask my Danish friend to do some research.

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  5. Faction: Norse

    in 1,000 A.D.

    Posted · Edited by Julius Civilis

    I wanted to discuss the needed buildings for the Vikings.

    At start the player begins with a longhouse rather than a CC, this building is able to train the basic viking swordsmen and female citizens. Also it functions as a dropsite for food and wood only. The Civic Center comes available during the second phase and is merged with the Fortress which building is called "Jarl's Hold". The Vikings have no stone walls and no stone defense tower, but stronger reinforced pallisades and a stronger outpost.

    I want to discuss the need for a barrack and a farmstead. Do we need them?

    I would think we can't do without farms.. (Sel)

    i coppied from my previous post:

    Sel (farm/shed): A small shed/farmhouse this could replace the farmstead with maybe as "technology" making skyr and/or inventing partially buried vats (like fridges!) to store products such as skyr.

    Also meat and fish were preserved by smoking. While some excavated Viking-age farms appear to have had dedicated smokehouses. This could be an upgrade.

    "In the summer months, livestock was driven to pastures at higher elevations, called sel (shieling). During this time, from mid-June through mid-October, most of the livestock were left to forage freely, while milk cows and ewes were kept close so they could be milked every day.

    The raw milk from the animals was collected and processed in a shed on site, where the farm family, or their hired hands, lived during the summer while they tended the livestock."

    from Icelanders in the Viking Age: The People of the Sagas Door William R. Short

    corral : Vikings build smaller versions of the longhouse as a shelter for there cows, so corrals should produce cows and look a bit like longhouses. (Are there even cows in 0AD? Eh, not black and white ones ;-) )

    tún (Hay the home field near the farm) : because Cows need lots of hay, maybe making a hay field (like the crops groing fields) would be nice.

    Proof:

    "Over two tonnes (2 tons) of hay was needed for each cow to last the Icelandic winter. A large farm in Viking age Iceland had around 20 to 40 milk cows, so harvesting and storing sufficient hay to last the winter was an arduous but important task. Studies of several Viking era farms in north Iceland suggest that farms could produce between 0.5 and 0.9 tonnes of hay per hectare (0.22 - 0.44 tons/acre) in good years. These figures imply that large farms required 20 to 80 hectares (50 to 200 acres) of land set aside for hay cultivation to keep their livestock over the winter."

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  7. Faction: Norse

    in 1,000 A.D.

    Posted · Edited by Julius Civilis

    I forgot, all vikings bring there own knife to eat, so every viking should at least have a big knife. Maybe even the woman?

    Most fought with an axe, some had swords, spears where also used. Bow and arrow also.

    Metal armour was an expensive upgrade.

    Markets : Vital to vikings, they where tents here everything was sold. Ribe vikingecenter museum has one.

    So maybe the market should consised of a few tents. With small stalls with the goods. nice pics here

    More pictures from rosala-viking-centre

    lots of pictures here

    ;-) sorry the W key sometimes doesnt work

  8. Faction: Norse

    in 1,000 A.D.

    Posted · Edited by Julius Civilis

    Hello everybody,

    as a frequent player of 0AD i like this mod very much, since i am not a graphic designer, and never tried programming in 0AD,

    i like to donate some knowledge/facts/findings i found after reading here on the interweb.

    Took me a few hours of research, so i hope it helps.

    I forgot to safe all the links where i found the info, but some are present. It only lacks pictures.. sorry...

    I researched in English, Dutch and bit in Danish.

    I have a Danish friend, and i will try to get him to help out here if possible, maybe translate things? or send him to a museum and make some pictures for us? :-) bet he likes it!

    I have talked with him about vikings before, so should be easy to convince to help. besides he owes me... ;-)

    Suggestions are welcome, i will contact him shortly.

    The hurstwic site has lots of info, mostly on Icelandic Vikings, but the writer is a master in bad copy and paste too...

    Look for instance at the "sel" part in the book from William R. Short and hurstwick site ...

    I double checked all facts, hope it's accurate. (i am convinced it is, but i am only human too...)

    Longhouse: i agree there should be a low stone base. (i am convinced after reading about them, and looking at many pictures) It's logical else the wood would rot away really fast...

    Sel (farm/shed): A small shed/farmhouse this could replace the farmstead with maybe as "technology" making skyr and/or inventing partially buried vats (like fridges!) to store products such as skyr.
    Also meat and fish were preserved by smoking. While some excavated Viking-age farms appear to have had dedicated smokehouses.

    "In the summer months, livestock was driven to pastures at higher elevations, called sel (shieling). During this time, from mid-June through mid-October, most of the livestock were left to forage freely, while milk cows and ewes were kept close so they could be milked every day.

    The raw milk from the animals was collected and processed in a shed on site, where the farm family, or their hired hands, lived during the summer while they tended the livestock."

    from Icelanders in the Viking Age: The People of the Sagas Door William R. Short

    corral : Vikings build smaller versions of the longhouse as a shelter for there cows, so corrals should produce cows and look a bit like longhouses. (Are there even cows in 0AD? Eh, not black and white ones ;-) )

    tún (Hay the home field near the farm) : cos Cows need lots of hay, maybe making a hay field (like the crops groing fields) ould be nice.

    "Over two tonnes (2 tons) of hay was needed for each cow to last the Icelandic winter. A large farm in Viking age Iceland had around 20 to 40 milk cows, so harvesting and storing sufficient hay to last the winter was an arduous but important task. Studies of several Viking era farms in north Iceland suggest that farms could produce between 0.5 and 0.9 tonnes of hay per hectare (0.22 - 0.44 tons/acre) in good years. These figures imply that large farms required 20 to 80 hectares (50 to 200 acres) of land set aside for hay cultivation to keep their livestock over the winter."

    Horses: Horses were raised, not only for their utility for travel and transport, but also because their meat was prized. So a trader should be part of the vikings civ. They also had carts with 4 wheels pulled by hoses. Maybe use horses as technology instead of wheelborrows? They also used them to transport the hay.

    Knarr/Fishing boats: Along coastal regions, and near rivers and lakes, fish were a staple part of the diet. Fish were caught with hook and line from small boats. So we need them!

    Viking house (small picture) : Inspiration for maybe the "sel". Although i found also that the could be (round) stone half burried houses. <great pics!)

    smedje/blacksmith : picture (finally found one!)

    females : Literary evidence suggests that women wore their hair long. When Hallgerður met Gunnar in chapter 33 of Brennu-Njáls saga, she is said to have thick, fair hair that came down to her breasts. In addition, the medieval lawbook Grágás (K254) prohibited women from wearing their hair short, one of several masculine traits that was specifically forbidden by the laws.
    from Hurstwick

    general food info: (to keep in mind when making maps) The best available guess is that Norse people primarily ate agricultural products raised on their own farms: meat from cattle, sheep, horses, pigs, goats, and poultry; cereals, such as barley, rye, oats, and (rarely) wheat; dairy produce, such as milk from cows, sheep, or goats, as well as cheese and butter; vegetables, such as peas, beans, cabbage, onions, and an assortment of herbs; and wild fruits, such as apples, pears, cherries, and berries and hunted deer, bear, boar, and elk, as well as smaller game such as rabbits.

    from Hurstwick

    Fun: The great auk (Pinguinus), a large, meaty, flightless bird now extinct, was an important part of the diet in Viking-age Iceland, based on excavated bones. lets go tux hunting! :-P

    Runes : The writen viking language

    Village/fortress: (link to vikingeborgen-trelleborg museum) According to law it as specified how a fortress was suppose to be build. (notice the stone fundements of the longhouses)

    Vikingecenter Fyrkat museum is on Google maps! Take a tour!

    Ribe vikingecenter museum take the tour, is in english to.

    Thats all for now folks...

    If any research need doing let me know!

    ps Niektd groeten uit Ulpia Noviomagus Batavorum ;-)

    (edit: added more links for reference)

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