Stan` Posted July 14, 2022 Report Share Posted July 14, 2022 @AIEND, I think it boils down to: Should we remove crossbow cavalry? Should we have an infantry champion crossbowman using the gastaphrete crossbow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIEND Posted July 15, 2022 Report Share Posted July 15, 2022 17 小时前，斯坦` 说： @AIEND ，我认为归结为： 我们应该取消弩骑兵吗？ 我们是否应该有一个使用gastaphrete弩的步兵冠军弩手。 1. Crossbow cavalry should be abolished. 2. There should be a citizen infantry crossbowman using a common crossbow. 3. There should be a champion infantry crossbowman using "JueZhang". 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted July 15, 2022 Report Share Posted July 15, 2022 On 14/07/2022 at 11:06 AM, borg- said: Maybe offtopic, but crossbows were much easier to learn than bows and arrows, so it wouldn't be interesting to make a little differentiation in citizen crossbows like requires -50% xp to promotion ? Now we have gone back in time to daddy Wow's original conception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted July 15, 2022 Report Share Posted July 15, 2022 5 hours ago, AIEND said: 3. There should be a champion infantry crossbowman using "JueZhang". Do you have a reference so I can make the model ? Those seem small Current small one Will reuse this guy's animation for now. Unless someone finds me a capable animator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIEND Posted July 16, 2022 Report Share Posted July 16, 2022 21 hours ago, Stan` said: 你有参考，所以我可以制作模型吗？ 那些看起来很小 目前小一 现在将重用这家伙的动画。 除非有人认为我是一个有能力的动画师。 "蹶张JueZhang" or "踏张TaZhang", the main feature is that it is larger than the general crossbow, but there is no obvious difference in structure. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted July 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 14/07/2022 at 10:04 AM, Stan` said: @AIEND, I think it boils down to: Should we remove crossbow cavalry? Should we have an infantry champion crossbowman using the gastaphrete crossbow. On 15/07/2022 at 3:18 AM, AIEND said: 1. Crossbow cavalry should be abolished. 2. There should be a citizen infantry crossbowman using a common crossbow. 3. There should be a champion infantry crossbowman using "JueZhang". Yeah, I think this is the best approach. The cavalry crossbowman seems problematic in too many areas. Should the cavalry crossbow hero also be made a foot soldier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 5 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said: Should the cavalry crossbow hero also be made a foot soldier? I think Wei Qing is very unique and a lone unit wouldn't be able to offset balance too much, so I would recommend keeping him as a chariot unit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroder Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 Say hello to the new champion crossbow: @Stan`@wowgetoffyourcellphone If you have time: https://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/6591 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIEND Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 小时前，real_tabasco_sauce 说： 是的，我认为这是最好的方法。 骑兵弩手似乎在很多方面都有问题。 骑兵弩英雄也应该成为步兵吗？ Usually horses or chariots, if it is an emperor like Liu Bang, he may ride a chariot. If it is Wei Qing, a general should be riding a horse, and their weapons can be bows and arrows or Ji. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted July 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sevda said: I think Wei Qing is very unique and a lone unit wouldn't be able to offset balance too much, so I would recommend keeping him as a chariot unit. yea, this is fine tbh. Edited July 17, 2022 by real_tabasco_sauce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Kurosawa Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) Can you do something with AI's ministers? They staying at one place all time. Edited July 22, 2022 by DeWynter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 On 16/07/2022 at 7:34 AM, AIEND said: "蹶张JueZhang" or "踏张TaZhang", the main feature is that it is larger than the general crossbow, but there is no obvious difference in structure. there is a chinese movie with this scene or kind of representation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 I changed the model to be more accurate, but without @Alexandermb it's unlikely we'll get an anim. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIEND Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said: 有一部中国电影有这种场景或这种表现形式。 Chinese people generally feel that the film's expression is too exaggerated and unrealistic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said: This movie depicts the Qin dynasty, not Han Dynasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 14 hours ago, DeWynter said: Can you do something with AI's ministers? They staying at one place all time. What do you want them to do? Speaking of them: I think they could spawn with aggressive stance; they're strong swordsmen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 18 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said: there is a chinese movie with this scene or kind of representation. I know it looks exaggerated but it's not a bad example of something real. Do you have any audiovisual/ video source? The animators are not enough to see as drawings, they need to see how it moves, how the limbs are positioned. our last animator Alexander MB he always asked for examples of movement, sometimes I gave him examples of total war or from reenactors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIEND Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 小时前，Lion.Kanzen 说： 我知道它看起来很夸张，但这并不是真实事物的一个坏例子。 你有任何视听/视频来源吗？ 动画师不足以将其视为图纸，他们需要看到它是如何移动的，四肢是如何定位的。 我们的最后一位动画师 Alexander MB 他总是要求提供运动示例，有时我会给他提供全面战争或重演者的示例。 It's a pity that the crossbow is a controlled weapon in China. I can't find a reliable demonstration video, but the European crossbow has a similar method of use. I saw a video like this on Bilibili:https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mv411T7tF?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=2663ebbf44c70d76f9642aab41b719ad It should be noted that the pull distance of the Chinese crossbow is longer than that of the European crossbow. For this point, you can refer to the picture of the stone carving above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Kurosawa Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Gurken Khan said: What do you want them to do? The AI does not use his accelerating advantages. Same problem with priests - no healers on battlefield from AI. Edited July 23, 2022 by DeWynter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, AIEND said: It's a pity that the crossbow is a controlled weapon in China. I can't find a reliable demonstration video, but the European crossbow has a similar method of use. I saw a video like this on Bilibili:https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mv411T7tF?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=2663ebbf44c70d76f9642aab41b719ad It should be noted that the pull distance of the Chinese crossbow is longer than that of the European crossbow. For this point, you can refer to the picture of the stone carving above. That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted August 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 after testing, what are your thoughts on a slight CS crossbow nerf and a slight Ji buff? crossbow dps: 10 -> 9.5 (compare to slinger at 9.2) ji damage 3 hack 4 pierce per 2 seconds, but - 2 pierce armor compared to pikes: how about Ji: 4 hack 5 pierce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted August 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 3 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said: after testing, what are your thoughts on a slight CS crossbow nerf and a slight Ji buff? crossbow dps: 10 -> 9.5 (compare to slinger at 9.2) https://code.wildfiregames.com/D4754 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted August 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 On 08/08/2022 at 4:51 PM, real_tabasco_sauce said: https://code.wildfiregames.com/D4754 thoughts on this nerf? 30 pierce per 3 sec -> 28 pierce per 3 sec 10 dps -> 9.33 dps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakfastBurrito_007 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 An alternative/addtional patch we might consider if the crossbow is too powerful in p1 is changing the cost to 50 food 40 wood 10 metal. I think the crossbow will be the best anti-rush unit since it has good range and high immediate damage, so for example if a 5 javcav rush comes to your woodline at 4-6 minutes you are certain to kill at least one each time they come in range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIEND Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 I tried the current Han Dynasty with a few Chinese players, and I'll summarize some of the comments I made earlier. 1. Aside from the fact that the rice fields should be millet fields, the fields can only accommodate 3 people. Some players feel that this operation is more troublesome, and the upper limit of the number of people working in the fields is not the familiar 5 or multiples of 5. 2. I don't know why the citizen soldier swordsman was deleted, I thought it should be a combination of swordsman and JI. 3. The names of the palace and the official hall should be reversed. In China, the palace means the central government, and the official hall is the local government. At the same time, the academy that can train soldiers does not exist in China. The academy should be abolished and the champion units and heroes should be placed in the palace. (Champion soldiers should also unlock training in stables and barracks). 4. Now the soldiers lack Chinese dubbing, I can find someone to record it, but I hope someone can provide a list of voices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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