Yekaterina Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 SMURF SPECULATORS, STOP PERSECUTING RANDOM PEOPLE! As soon as I joined a TG, this happened: GOOD PLAYER != SMURF JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THEM, DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T BE BETTER THAN YOU! WHAT GAVE YOU THE CONFIDENCE TO THINK THAT YOU KNOW EVERY SINGLE 0AD PLAYER IN THE WORLD??? IT'S COMMON SENSE THAT RATINGS ARE INACCURATE, SO PLEASE, RESPECT UNDERRATED PLAYERS! NOBODY IS OBLIGATED TO PLAY RATED 1V1s. THERE ARE 3,900,000,000 (to 2sf) WOMEN IN THE WORLD, BUT THERE IS ONLY 1 KATE. SO NOT EVERY FEMALE PLAYER YOU MEET IS ME. PLEASE RESPECT THEIR EXISTENCE AND INDIVIDUALITY! I AM NO LONGER ABLE TO MAKE MORE ACCOUNTS BECAUSE MY HARDWARE ADDRESS AND ALL IPs I HAVE BEEN TO HAVE BEEN BLACKLISTED. Funny enough, I am not using Arch anymore... @Stan` @user1 BreakfastBurrito, please explain yourself, why, in your mind, is this IuseArchBtw(1345) me? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pemulis Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Yeah, I can only agree. Pretty new to the game, some days ago mr.michael (or a similar nick) accused me of being a smurf in the lobby of a TG. After that, he accused me of being a noob and said that was not going to play with me. I felt like Schrodinger's cat: a smurf and a noob at the same time. Some people are completely out of their mind, and for a new player this is not a friendly environment where to learn to play and have fun. Unfortunately a real-time moderation of the lobbies seems to be necessary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, Pemulis said: I felt like Schrodinger's cat: a smurf and a noob at the same time. That's how new players are treated these days, you just have to get used to it. These smurf speculators are often players between 1400-1950 who think they are OP and cannot tolerate new players who improve very quickly and surpass them. But new players often do improve very fast these days thanks to Valihrant, 0AD Newbie Rush and my build order guides. 3 minutes ago, Pemulis said: Unfortunately a real-time moderation of the lobbies seems to be necessary. NO! because there will be dozens of false reports of smurfing per day and the clueless moderator will just ban innocent new players. @Player of 0AD why are you confused again? If you have a question, just ask here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakfastBurrito_007 Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 I am not sure how long ago this happened, but I was joking that IuseArchBtw was yeka smurf because you were talking about arch for a while. I apologize if someone thought I was serious, and also, that being a smurf was enough for the host to kick them from the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pemulis Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: ...and my build order guides. Where can be found them? 6 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: NO! because there will be dozens of false reports of smurfing per day and the clueless moderator will just ban innocent new players. Imho would be a mistake to ban for smurfing. Why should it be forbidden? Ratings wouldn't be perfectly matched with reality anyway, and btw people are free to do new accounts if they want to. Similar reports should be simply ignored, but cannot be said the same about constant offenses in the lobbies. This is the real problem of this community. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiley Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 (setup your own lobby server. with blackjack and hookers) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, smiley said: (setup your own lobby server. with blackjack and hookers) What are blackjack and hookers? If you can show me instructions then I will make another lobby. I just don't know how to do it on windows Edited February 23, 2022 by Yekaterina 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: What are blackjack and hookers? Oh, sweet innocence! Let's just say you'd need to host such a server in a very, very unregulated part of the world. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 if my country had servers... My country has basic internet laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 If 0ad had a larger player base, I would say it would be interesting to try to setup a ranked matchmaking queue. This will probably result in more accurate ratings and encourage more people to play 1v1s. While it certainly wouldn't handle the smurf problem (not that its really a big problem), I think more accurate ratings would be healthier for balancing TGs. Thoughts? Just now, real_tabasco_sauce said: I would say it would be interesting to try to setup a ranked matchmaking queue. This would probably need a refined and balanced map selection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiley Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Yekaterina said: What are blackjack and hookers? If you can show me instructions then I will make another lobby. I just don't know how to do it on windows It's a well known reference. If you are thinking of hosting it on your own PC, I would suggest to not do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinketos Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Yekaterina said: What are blackjack and hookers? If you can show me instructions then I will make another lobby. I just don't know how to do it on windows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, smiley said: t's a well known reference. I prefer flapjacks to blackjacks: But the issue is not with the WFG lobby nor the moderator; the hardware doesn't change anything. It's people's mindset that needs to change and a few extremists need some re-education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephilosopher Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 Yeah, it's pretty weird that some people are super vigilant about smurfs. They should give it a rest. The fact that some people are very upset about smurfs is probably a big motivation for the few smurfs who cause problems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 45 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: This is a flapjack??? Americans call this a flapjack: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 46 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said: Americans call this a We call that 'pancake' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: We call that 'pancake' Yes pancake and flapjack are synonymous. We would just call the picture you shared an oat bar or something XD. Anyways, back on task, how feasible would a 1v1 matchmaking system be for 0ad? Edited February 24, 2022 by real_tabasco_sauce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 Well I haven't banned anyone from the lobby, so either @user1 is doing it, a bot is, or something worse is going on. My current visibility on the lobby is still very limited even now that @Dunedan has access. So I cannot help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 @Stan` I think @BreakfastBurrito_007 is referring to banning from the host of a TG lobby, not the actual game lobby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, thephilosopher said: Yeah, it's pretty weird that some people are super vigilant about smurfs Some people just can't lose and they rely on knowing the dude behind the keyboard to predict their strategy and give themselves an advantage in balancing. If I just tell you I am a 1700 player, you have no idea how I will play, whether I will rush or boom or do some weird strategy. But if I tell you I am Reza, you know for 90% chance you will be rushed, or if I tell you I am metafondations then you know 95% chance you will be left alone to boom but be destroyed by a P3 push. Anonymity means you have to do scouting and more uncertainty, and some players don't like that. Furthermore, some people can't stand other players improving faster than them. So they come up with smurf accusations Edited February 24, 2022 by Yekaterina 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakara Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 use command for mute and stop whine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, Dakara said: use command for mute and stop whine I know how to mute but most new players can't, that's why smurf persecution will only hurt the innocent and real smurfs will never feel any emotional damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 @Dakara I am talking about a serious problem and you tell me to stop whining?! This is not about myself anymore, too many other people i e. New players are getting harassed, and I think that is an unhealthy climate in the lobby which used to be a friendly place in A23. You might want to know there is a Zakara impostering you although we all know who he is. We have confirmed that he is a smurf because he admitted it and told us all of his previous accounts. Most people claimed that Zakara is your smurf and even wanted to report you to user1. If that did happen then you would have been banned without knowing why. So dakara you were lucky. I politely asked him for his true rating after 2 imba TGs, and he gave up his other accounts because he never had a rating. So in future TGs we consider him to be 1500 instead of 1700. That's the way to approach suspected smurfs, not straight up harassing then non-stop. If the crowd did go with their instinct, I don't know what would have happened to you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephilosopher Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Yekaterina said: Some people just can't lose and they rely on knowing the dude behind the keyboard to predict their strategy and give themselves an advantage in balancing. This is probably true. It still doesn't make sense to me why people try to manipulate their rating in this way. The higher their rating goes, the more they're going to get upset about losing when a better player comes along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted February 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, thephilosopher said: This is probably true. It still doesn't make sense to me why people try to manipulate their rating in this way. The higher their rating goes, the more they're going to get upset about losing when a better player comes along. Many players are overrated and they don't want to admit it. Also some of them like to copy other people's strategy. In my opinion, copying good players is a great way to learn, I myself copied ideas from a range of players like berhudar, hamdich, Marc, weirdJokes, Valihrant, Christoffel-Symbol, Havran reza-math... But it's not ok to refuse to give the original author any credit and ban whoever claims authorship to the strategy you copied :/ Examples: Aslan's archer cav, Hamdich's Roman swords, Hamdich's Ptol mass slinger all-in push This leads to another problem: accusing smurfs based on strategy. There was a player Yafes who did archer cav and everyone claimed he is Aslan, although I know for a fact that Yafes is not Aslan or gertje. Aslan himself was also accused of being gertje but I have no idea about that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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