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mega thread on the Corona Hoax , the Vaccine Poison and the Orwellian Passport (warning : censorship = you support what is exposed)


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The title is voluntary provocative ;)  It's just a summary
 
Corona Hoax :   about its lethality :3 millions deaths on world population on the first 18 months.  Tabacco in 2020 (so 12 months) : 8 millions on the only smokers world pop ..   do your maths.  (the counting method is already an entire subject) 
Vaccine Poison :  based on its light , heavy sides effects and deaths,  any medical product that has shown similar casualties would have been removed from the market in an eye blink. Here, the mass media don't even censor this information. They deliberately say the opposite ' the covid vaccine is not more dangerous than aspirin "
Orwellian Passport :   you get it, mass-surveillance is the purpose, why not simply make vaccine mandatory if i follow them ?   Because at this stage its impossible to force a product that seems so uncertain ... no  politician will ever dare to force it on its pop ... but it seems not impossible .. The passport is meant to reward those who are vaccinated and punish the others. The un-vaccinated minority will be under pressure but  its existence will be the justification of the passport.  Do you think the passport will be removed once the pop is 100% vaccinated ? No.  because muh variants.
 
 

 

This is just an introduction  by showing what looks like a little sketch of what will comes next .. the end of our democracies and the beginning of a new regime that will align its standards on China.   The subject is huge.  Please, debate, post relevant things.  Post testimonials.  Please, keep in mind this thread is for information, not to be another echo chamber of mass mainstreaming propaganda.

No memes plz

 

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Lol they legit spray people XD this is too funny.
 Symbolism op like spraying a cat or a dog for misbehaving.

I guess mask can be seen as a muzzle, forced mandatory vaccination as physical violation, putting something inside you that affects the most intimate parts of your biology and being.

Liberty, Property, Personality violation bingo book.

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, JC (naval supremacist) said:

 

This is just an introduction  by showing what looks like a little sketch of what will comes next .. the end of our democracies and the beginning of a new regime that will align its standards on China.   The subject is huge.  Please, debate, post relevant things.  Post testimonials.  Please, keep in mind this thread is for information, not to be another echo chamber of mass mainstreaming propaganda.

 

Thank you

 

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OK...

The side effect of Moderna vaccine is agonising indeed, I was injected with it twice and both times resulted in me being incapacitated for a week. So vaccine-poison is not a really big exaggeration. 

However, no vaccine -> the virus spreads further and for longer time -> more mutations occur -> more difficult to deal with -> more casualties. So in this respect vaccines are necessary. 

A more effective method would be an utter and complete lockdown of every country for 4 months. That will remove any chance of the virus spreading and it will go extinct after the 4 months. China used this method and now they are almost devoid of Covid-19, without needing much vaccination. But it is already too late for other countries to try this; many governments cannot maintain a long enough strict lockdown and such a lockdown would simply hurt their eco too much. 

So I guess vaccine + herd immunity is the only way to go for most countries now...

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The risks of covid are much bigger than that of a vaccine; probably a mandatory vaccination would be the best solution to get rid of this pandemic.

Otherwise, I guess I just have to be ok with idiots decimating themselves by non-vaccination. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(Police brutality is a totally different matter.)

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I'm not going to address all of these points, but I would raise a few key questions.  Are you opposed to vaccines other than ones meant to deal with COVID-19?  When you talk about vaccines being poison have you looked at each and every one?  Have you consulted any medical experts prior to just writing them off as either gullible and ignorant or as wilfully spreading lies for their own self interest?  Something tells me that people with years of training followed by even more experience in their respective fields would serve to have some legitimacy in the subject.  

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those vaccines are not the usual vaccines of our childhood.   The 'anti-vax' stamp is used to relegate our views to some archaic views like the 'flat-earthers'

About the current so-called vaccine.

- its new revolutionary technology mRNA

- its not really a vaccine but more like genetic therapy (to borrow the words of specialists)

- its has been made up within some months while a true certificated pharma product takes many years to be on the market (conception, tests , long term tracking and so on)

- side effects and reported deaths are unprecedented 

- absolutely sold with no warranty , they have ensured to be legally unattainable

- ...

  • Each year, more than 165 million Americans get the flu shot. There were 85 reported deaths following influenza vaccination in 2017; 119 deaths in 2018; and 203 deaths in 2019
  • Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day
  • In just four months, the COVID-19 vaccines have killed more people than all available vaccines combined from mid-1997 until the end of 2013 — a period of 15.5 years
  • As of April 23, 2021, VAERS had also received 12,618 reports of serious adverse events. In total, 118,902 adverse event reports had been filed
  • In the European Union, the EudraVigilance system had as of April 17, 2021, received 330,218 injury reports after vaccination with one of the four available COVID vaccines, including 7,766 deaths

 

 

Beside the product it self, the vaccine is pushed extremely aggressively in the west . This is already highly suspicious.    It seems the vaccination is somehow the justification of some mandatory passport .  Think about it ..    why not simply make the vaccine mandatory if i follow their narrative ? 

 

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9 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

Otherwise, I guess I just have to be ok with idiots decimating themselves by non-vaccination.

we will see ...  but by then, avoid insulting people to make you feel confortable with your (non)-choice

 

9 hours ago, Ceres said:

Why do we need such topics as this in the 0ad forum? It makes me sad, to say the least.

because some topics are more important than video games.  If an off-topic on a video game forum is forbidden, it shows how political this subject is.   The videos above makes you meh ?

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I need to quote Wendy: JC are you trying to not get banned anymore?

 

Sorry, that was just trolling. Even though I believe vaccines are not poison, the lack of respect of my government for the truth and constitution is disgusting. Also our government practices clown care (cliniclowns). For those unfamiliar with clown care, its something that makes you feel good but does not solve real issues.

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28 minutes ago, JC (naval supremacist) said:

- its has been made up within some months while a true certificated pharma product takes many years to be on the market (conception, tests , long term tracking and so on)

They were working on the method long before the current virus appeared. So all they had to do was to change the 'information' regarding the specific virus; much like the yearly flu shot gets changed to the specific virus they expect. A lot of steps were done simultaneously that otherwise would be done one after the other. Public institutions made it a top priority, reacting in weeks instead of months, significantly shortening the time to roll-out.

 

33 minutes ago, JC (naval supremacist) said:

we will see ...  but by then, avoid insulting people to make you feel confortable with your (non)-choice

I had a choice. I was unsure in the beginning and didn't push to be among the first to get the shot. I looked at sources, numbers and arguments and decided to trust science on this. For example I don't believe those numbers of people supposedly killed by the vaccine. They started with the elderly and they just have a higher mortality rate. Imagine I blamed toothpaste for killing people, I would have billions of cases.

And I am comfortable to call people who spout idiotic nonsense (like this thread title) idiots.

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9 hours ago, Genava55 said:

Seriously, did you have a brain with a minimum of critical mind or are you simply a parrot ?

i guess a parrot that can read what he repeats is still more clever than a sheep that can just meeeh .. but whatever , its not like i gonna get angry on an useless answer .. Let me expose this subject for everyone and please, don't pollute with insulting spam messages.

 

statement  “As mRNA is genetic material, mRNA vaccines can be looked at as a genetic-based therapy, but they are classified as vaccines and are not designed to alter your genes,” said Dr Adam Taylor, a virologist and research fellow at the Menzies Health Institute, Queensland, Griffith University.

answer : “Gene therapy, in the classical sense, involves making deliberate changes to a patient’s DNA in order to treat or cure them. mRNA vaccines will not enter a cell’s nucleus that houses your DNA genome. There is zero risk of these vaccines integrating into our own genome or altering our genetic makeup.”

reaction to the answer (websearch keywords :     RNA can be reverse transcribed into DNA )

" Following a new collaboration between UiO and research groups in Nottingham and Oxford, it has now been revealed that RNA has a direct effect on DNA stability, according to Professor Klungland's research. " https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html

" It is well known that RNA can be “reverse transcribed” into DNA. Residing in our cells are enzymes called “reverse transcriptases”. These enzymes convert RNA into DNA. Multiple sources for this class of enzymes exist within our cells. These reverse transcriptases are normally made by other viruses termed “retroviruses   ......      With so many sources of reverse transcriptase, it is quite probable that the RNA introduced into our cells via the vaccine could be reverse transcribed into a segment of double-stranded DNA, and then integrated into our core genetic material in the nucleus of the cell. ”.    https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/11/27/will-an-rna-vaccine-permanently-alter-my-dna/

the question is open .

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10 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

They were working on the method long before the current virus appeared.

indeed ..

https://odysee.com/@Infelixuk:a/MZsUcvzA5ywmPnlV:5

 

tons of interviews of  Billy the Syringe as early as 2012

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Already predicting your next jab ..  jfl   

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, JC (naval supremacist) said:
  • Between mid-December 2020 and April 23, 2021, at which point between 95 million and 100 million Americans had received their COVID-19 shots, there were 3,544 reported deaths following COVID vaccination, or about 30 per day

Lol, correlation is not causation. Did you know 100% of vaccinated Americans will die? You're also claiming a 0.004% "death rate" from a vaccine that prevents infection from a virus that kills between 1% and 3% and leaves 10+% of survivors with long term adverse effects (I am one of these survivors; autoimmune symptoms).

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10 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

For example I don't believe those numbers of people supposedly killed by the vaccine. T

 

Believe .. why not simply make a websearch ?  There's thousands of testimonials .. One of the most famous

https://www.worldtribune.com/unreported-4-british-airline-pilots-die-after-getting-covid-jab/

 

10 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

I looked at sources, numbers and arguments and decided to trust science on this.

And what does "science"  whispers in your ears ?  You had invite him for breakfast for having a serious talk on all those subjects ?  Let me put it right back in place. For most of people (are you one of them ?)  science is nothing else than a lazy comprehension of what is exposed in medias. Nothing else.  Those people will never check sources, will never read or even care the single existence of an opposition .. So i don't even question if they have study the subject by themselves.

For people watching 3 hours of TV each day, being for "science" today is roughly the same than being for "god" for the average illiterate farmer that goes to the church every Sunday to listen the priest's sermon in latin ... 

10 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

They started with the elderly and they just have a higher mortality rate. Imagine I blamed toothpaste for killing people, I would have billions of cases.

thank you , you have clearly explained how they inflated the "covid" deaths :)

 

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Hello. I would like to dispel a few doubts and misconceptions about the mRNA vaccine, since it is a new technology and people might be curious of how it works.

First we need to discuss what is DNA and RNA.

DNA is a molecule that resides in the cell nucleous and is responsible for storing our genetic information (our genome). It's quite a sturdy molecule and very stable.

RNA is a molecule that can be found in the nucleous and in the cell body (cytoplasm). Is a small molecule and one of its main purposes is to convey information (or messages, if you will). It is not as stable as DNA.

 

How do DNA and RNA work in the body?

We know that DNA is stored in the nucleous, but the majority of the cell processes happen in the cytoplasm, which is separated from the nucleous (in humans) by the nuclear membrane. So if the cell wants to produce something (protein, antibody, enzyme, etc) using the information stored in the DNA, it need that information to get out of the nucleous.

That is where RNA comes in. In a process called Transcription, a segment of our DNA is copied in the form of mRNA (the "m" stands for messenger), which then can leave the nucleous and reach the cell body. There, the information that it contains can be used to produce stuff for the cell.

We can say then that mRNA is nothing more than the mailman of the cell, bringing information from the DNA to the cell body.

The thing though is that this mailman is short lived and will soon be recycled by the cell. This way, the cell can regulate itself and more easily avoid overproducing stuff.

 

 

So, back to the mRNA vaccine.

Well, we know that the only thing that mRNA can do is convey a message.

But what message does the mRNA vaccine convey?

It conveys instructions to build a specific protein called SPIKE. The COVID-19 virus uses this specific protein to bypass cell defenses, entering and infecting the cell.

 

Why would i want my cells to build a viral protein?

The purpose of vaccines is to train your imune system against a specific invader. But to train they need a target. Vaccines provide the target. Some use inactivated or dead virus, while others use active, but weakened virus. Some even break up the virus in the lab and use only some of its parts.

The mRNA vaccine is new because instead of injecting viral proteins in your bloodstream, it inject instructions that will allow a limited number of your cells to produce those proteins, thus providing your imune system with a target to train and practice with.

Since SPIKE is THE protein that enables the virus to enter the cell and (so far) is found on all variants of the coronavirus, it was the most valuable target to practice with.

 

Will my cell be altered in any way by the vaccine?

In short, no. Because as we've seen before mRNA doesn't last very long in a cell and will eventually be recycled by it. It will stay active for a time, allowing the cell to produce and export SPIKE to train the imune system and then it will be destroyed.

 

If if can just inject SPIKE in my bloodstream, why use a vaccine that makes me produce them instead?

That is a great question and it really highlights why this new technology is so awesome. Proteins are hard to produce in a lab. They are formed from a myriad of amino acids and have complex shapes. mRNA, on the other hand, is just a string, like a bead necklace and it is it made from only 4 different molecules. mRNA is easier and cheaper to produce in a lab in comparison to proteins.

Another reason is quantity and space. Each vaccine shot has limited space and the more targets we can fit into it, the more practice our imune system will have against it. Each SPIKE protein counts as a single target, but each mRNA can produce hundreds of targets (or more) during it's lifespan. So we can get more quantity for the same space using mRNA instead of proteins.

 

If the mRNA vaccine is so good, why do some people have side effects?

In the case of mRNA vaccines, the side effects are a result of your imune system fighting and practicing against the targets that we introduced. The imune system has a pattern of response against invasions. First step is stall the enemy while we gather intelligence, meaning you body will increase its temperature (fever), produce mucus (sneezing, coryza, cofing) and redirect your energy reserves to fighting the invader (tiredness).

Although these are symptoms commonly associated with diseases, it's actually our body that is causing them. They might be a pain to us, but they are even more of a pain to the invaders and are quite effective in most cases.

This strategy is meant to buy time in order for the imune system to capture and study some invaders in order to produce antibodies against them.

So, by taking the vaccine, although you are not being invaded by any hostile forces, you are producing something that the body does not recognize and so it will mount a full attack against it. Since people are different, the intensity of their imune response is also different. This means that some can experience very mild effects will others might not. It's basically like an allergic reaction.

 

If i can also have side effects from the vaccine, why not just get COVID instead?

Well, the main difference between a vaccine and virus is that the virus will destroy your cells, while the vaccine won't. If your body can contain the virus in time, then you'll experience some to no symptoms and will be fine. If your body cannot, then the virus can get out of control and cause greater damage to your organs. COVID is specially nasty, since although it starts at the lungs it can migrate to other parts of the body (heart, brain, liver, etc). Any damage to those areas might cause significant health problems and even lead to death.

When we look at the situation this way, the vaccine is preferable, even if it has a chance to cause some side effects.

 

TL;DR;

1 - mRNA is not DNA

2 - mRNA can't change your genome

3 - mRNA is short lived

4 - The mRNA vaccine allows your body to produce the viral protein SPIKE (for a limited period of time).

5 - SPIKE alone is harmless.

6 - All COVID-19 virus, so far, have SPIKE and use to breach cell defenses and enter the cell.

7 - By taking the vaccine, you are providing SPIKE proteins for your imune system to study and learn how to fight it.

8 - Then, when a COVID-19 virus enters your body, your imune system will easily recognize the SPIKE protein is has and will stop the virus before it does significant damage to you.

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@JC (naval supremacist)

Maybe you think RNA vaccine is a really special kind of vaccine but a vaccine like astrazeneca (which not a RNA based vaccine) is actually working by using a virus as a vector to carry DNA to your nucleus. Why didnt you complain about it instead? 

Furthermore, people like you misunderstand the study about RNA reverse transcriptases. Most of the RNA aren't reversed in DNA, obviously, this a rare pathway. It happens generally during viral infections and it doesn't reverse any RNA in DNA, only specific chain of RNA. A RNA virus contains numerous RNA coding chains to produces multiple proteins. The risk that a RNA vaccine got reversed is very small in comparison of a virus. Finally the SARS-COV-2 has been identified as being able to reverse some part of its RNA into our DNA. But in your discourse, the RNA vaccine is a risk but not the virus itself.

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12 hours ago, Yekaterina said:

OK...

The side effect of Moderna vaccine is agonising indeed, I was injected with it twice and both times resulted in me being incapacitated for a week. So vaccine-poison is not a really big exaggeration. 

However, no vaccine -> the virus spreads further and for longer time -> more mutations occur -> more difficult to deal with -> more casualties. So in this respect vaccines are necessary. 

A more effective method would be an utter and complete lockdown of every country for 4 months. That will remove any chance of the virus spreading and it will go extinct after the 4 months. China used this method and now they are almost devoid of Covid-19, without needing much vaccination. But it is already too late for other countries to try this; many governments cannot maintain a long enough strict lockdown and such a lockdown would simply hurt their eco too much. 

So I guess vaccine + herd immunity is the only way to go for most countries now...

Please do watch the link ive posted above ^

overuse of vaccines will heighten mortality, in totality long term via producing vaccine resistant strains, as they already have with high proficiency given that the vaccines are really weak at immunization only being 40-60% effective at preventing you from getting covid and lasting a very short time, like 6 months  ignoring the myriad of other issues regarding this.

as for the utter and complete lockdown, ofc unfeasible, but while more effective at getting rid of the vaccine it brings in absurd cost, 4 months of complete lockdown would induce economic collapse, there is no magic sack @#$% comes out of if ppl dont work we all get poorer.

and this would not prevent covid, even in an ideal scenario of no ppl fighting back , ect (which will happen countless times out of nessesity, and out of personal belief) while less likely there is no 2 meter limit to how far it can travel it can travel for miles on air currents, ect many many ways. From what i recall it can survive for a long enough time, on various surfaces.

ton of other issues with this idea i wont expand on.

as for china, there are many things happening in china and not happening in china XD if you believe them that is, no real way to reliably verify and this one is an obvious lie, im sure there are covid cases in china, and im sure they are covering it up, it would be mathematically impossible to circumvent this problem with such methods as "isolation" itll just restart the moment you reopen.

on an unrelated note did you know north korea landed a man on the sun? crazy right how far we have fallen behind in tech...

 

 

i rewatched the interview and have made a few notes, so i wrote the notes here so any1 can use.

7:40 - regarding vaccine ethicality

14:08 - mandatory vaccination is not a good medical practice from the point of a virologist and a vaccinologist

"what we are doing by using the vaccine innapropriately for people who dont really need it is that we are driving the virus to be able to escape through evolutionary selection the benefits of the vaccine" - Robert malone
"The overuse of vaccines will drive the develpment of viruses that are able to evade vacination. Now who cares? Because we know that natural infection provides broader, longer lasting, and up to 20 fold more effective immune response in terms of preventing re-infection that the vaccine does.

"So if the vaccine is no longer effective why should i care because ill just get natural infection and thatll be better anyhow. The answer is that we do have people in our population that are at high risk, the risk if you catch this virus if you are elderly and have significant other co-morbidities like pre existing heart conditions, obesity or other characteristics your risk is quite high, it can range up to 50% probability of death depending on your pre existing conditions "

there really no good point to cut off the quote tbh, but ill stop now as i realize ive written too much above, hope this motivates ppl to watch the interview.

The main point is that vaccination only strengthens the virus, if it is abused.

19:14 - we cant vaccinate our way out of this pandemic, and we shouldnt be trying to do that.

"in an outbreak when there is very active spread of high levels of virus, you cant vaccinate your way out of the risk of that virus during an active outbreak, with an imperfect leaky vaccine"

"based on various estimates coming from isreal and other places suggest that its ability to prevent infection is something in the range of 40-60%"

you still produce, shed and spread the virus, even while vaccinated which makes it worse as you become a superspreader.

"even if we all had perfect practice and m95 masks the best we could do is slow these viruses down"

The vaccines are "leaky" which means they only work a certain % of time.

"the sanctity of the individual, is more important than the sanctity of the collective"

25:30 - high zone tolerance in regards to re-vaccination.

28:49 - corruption of medical institutions.

31:10 - Leaky vaccine, its implications.

36:05 - Fear p0rn.

36:45 - Conflicting interests

53:32 - Legacy media owned by 6 companies.

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9 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Lol, correlation is not causation. Did you know 100% of vaccinated Americans will die?

Precisely, correlation "could" imply "causation" when the vaccination occurs prior to the death (the opposite would be funny) and creates an abrupt modification in a status ( life/death)  When it occurs in a very short time span , any else possible causes are , thus, very unlikely :     example,  perfectly healthy man died 1 week after the jab .. what would be the primary source of investigation, the jab or something like the quality of air in the city ?

My data are those who have been reported to the competent authorities on that matter (VAERS) and so , you can guess the deaths reported were not those of the people dead in a car accident

More info https://theexpose.uk/2021/07/13/30-of-deaths-reported-to-vaers-after-covid-19-vaccines-occurred-in-one-week-2000-more-deaths/

 

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we would almost need a whole wiki to catch up and organize all those subjects . I feel that we were sleepy during 18 months and now we are waking up with some unbelievable jaw dropping Orwellian laws

Stunning of the masses with daily fear, lies and propaganda...

" those who control people by fear, becomes master of their souls"

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