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You saw that this image spread on the internet and I thought it was a joke.

 

We are getting closer to a dictatorship on the part of big tech.

 

It seems dictatorship of thought.

 

"Police of Thought". (1984 by George Orwell).

 

It is painful to get to this situation and to be accepted as normal.

 

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I don't know why I can't enter the webpage and the forums..

anyway just skimmed to the post and I just want to say two things:

First, from a political POV, socialism and nazism (fascims) have very different roots and although Mussolini had their origins in socialism, fascisms and nazism have little bridges with the left. 

Because socialism is not "when the goverment do stuff". It is related to give the means of production to the people and redistribution of wealth. By an state (broadly speaken what we call communist states), by syndicates (classic anarchism and some non-leninist marxisms), or by coops  ("utopian" socialism). Classical liberalism (Adam Smith) defended some government intervenction (and was very vocal against monopolies). 

Fascism believes in the cooperation between burgouis class and worker class negating the class struggle, that it's a core of the revolutionary socialism, in fact one of the characteristics of fascism and nazism is that they are reactions to revolutionary socialist movements of their countries. As another guy said, the "left" elements of nazism were kicked fast in the early days of nazism, and all the worker rhetoric of nazism and fascism was just propaganda to attract workers to their ranks, not real practice. Also the class relationship within the countries: fascism and nazism rised because they protected industrialist and landowners, while they we're wiped on communist revolutions. 

I mean, if people want to say that Soviet Union and Nazism we're equal (which I don't think that, while I think that URSS did horrible things) it has to do more in that they were strong states in geopolitical disputes. 

But, let's be honest, slavery, genocide, senseless wars, corruption and abuse of power have been done by capitalist countries also, from USA slavery, to Leopold II on Congo, or the unnecesary nuclear bombs on Japan. 

Second, my worries this days are about climate change and the end cheap oil and minerals. A system can't grow without limit in a limited space, and tech can't solve some issues like that and the laws of thermodynamics. Probably we go to a social collapse of the industrial world as we know, and also that leads also to the end of that global era. But I hope that don't lead to fascism and genocidal regimes. Also I would hope that I'm wrong, but there's a lot of data poiting that things are getting worse from a material point of view.
 

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1 hour ago, LetswaveaBook said:

Get real, free green energy in 2030? I think when it comes to renewables progress Will be slow.

I think there's a good chance the pace will pick up now that the industrialized northern countries are increasingly hit by the effects of the climate change; extreme heat in the US, fires in Canada, floods in Germany... I don't think energy should be free, that encourages waste.

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There's a central problem: not only our energy sources are depleting but also the minerals that we would need, so going 100% renovables could be impossible. There's no simple enough copper or lithium. Besides that, electricity it's only a 20% of energy use, some parts could be electrified, but the percentatge can't go up much further.

We go to a decline wether we want it or not. The question is if we distribute and we do the needed structural changes (public transport, producing where we consume, food based on low energy inputs production, less meat, etc.) Of course some countries should growth by justice. 

The problem is that the real solutions won't be made by politicians and companies because they foucs on short term. It is also related to our human brains that are very good on the short term to avoid predators, but not so good at planning (comparatively, because we have done amazing things)


But scientifics have been warning that deforestation could lead to new virus sprawls, you know what I mean. 

 

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8 hours ago, av93 said:

There's a central problem: not only our energy sources are depleting but also the minerals that we would need, so going 100% renovables could be impossible. There's no simple enough copper or lithium. Besides that, electricity it's only a 20% of energy use, some parts could be electrified, but the percentatge can't go up much further.

I guess people will try to get some of those critical minerals from other planets/moons at some point, also, the amount of research and engineering effort going into better batteries right now is incredible, so it is likely batteries will perform better in every way while using fewer critical minerals and costing less. It is also worth noting that much electrification can be done within the existing grid. At least in the USA, electrification can improve a lot, just thinking of all of the things that could be electric right now like stoves, heating/AC, trains, cars and trucks. 

From a personal standpoint, I look forward to electric things, cars in particular. I pay about 65 USD per week on petrol so I really look forward to when the next groundbreaking batteries enter the car market.

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On 18/07/2021 at 2:00 PM, LetswaveaBook said:

Get real, free green energy in 2030? I think when it comes to renewables progress Will be slow.

What Will be less slow is the growth of datacenter and the amount of tranportations made for Amazon deliveries.

I don't think it's about progress. Last century energy was free for everyone in Russia, now it isn't anymore. Not because of new technologies.

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38 minutes ago, alre said:

I don't think it's about progress. Last century energy was free for everyone in Russia, now it isn't anymore. Not because of new technologies.

When I wrote about free energy promoting waste I was specifically thinking about last century Russia; from what I know (there were at least cases where) one couldn't control the thermostats, so if it got too warm inside one would open the window. Clearly that's not an efficient use of energy.

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3 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

 At least in the USA, electrification can improve a lot, just thinking of all of the things that could be electric right now like stoves, heating/AC, trains, cars and trucks. 

Of course renewable energy and electrification will play an important role in the future society, but we can't just pretend to think to replace all the cars that we have now for electric ones, not only for the minerals required for batteries but all the copper that you would need to bring them electricity. In the other hand, trains and cooking stooves are a very good and efficient way to spend electricity.

3 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

I guess people will try to get some of those critical minerals from other planets/moons at some point

I'm fairle skeptical that this will ever happen. The thing is that in the last century technology have improved in a crazy rate that we just can't think that we have limits.

1 hour ago, Gurken Khan said:

When I wrote about free energy promoting waste I was specifically thinking about last century Russia; from what I know (there were at least cases where) one couldn't control the thermostats, so if it got too warm inside one would open the window. Clearly that's not an efficient use of energy.

Hmm, I can deduce maybe that you're talking about district heating. One of the drawbacks of centralized heating is that you can't adjust the temperature apartment from apartment, but overall is much more efficient than individual apartment heating. Besides that, I agree that electricity shouldn't be free.

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2 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

The article is from April 2020, the last sentence before the paywall-cutoff begins 'To recover some semblance of normality before a vaccine is found'; with vaccines available now the discussion is different. I don't really have an idea how this will turn out, nor do I really have a firm opinion on all the aspects that need to be covered.

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22 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

The article is from April 2020, the last sentence before the paywall-cutoff begins 'To recover some semblance of normality before a vaccine is found'; with vaccines available now the discussion is different. I don't really have an idea how this will turn out, nor do I really have a firm opinion on all the aspects that need to be covered.

It's complicated. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52409893

the media talk about 4 doses...

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-warn-stop-hoard-vaccine-3rd-dose-some-countries-none-2021-7

The problem is that despite the protests in Europe, the passes will follow.

At some point they will want to track either by Smarphone or by wristband.

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2 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

I hope my compatriots vote Republicans. as in Virginia.

Georgia (the state in your article) is run by Republicans.

Republicans are proto-fascists and are rigging the elections for 2022 and 2024. Their opponents have received more votes (by millions of votes) than they have in 6 out of the past 8 elections and still the Republicans have power in Congress due to their control over numerous state legislatures (state legislatures determine the size, shape, and demographics of congressional districts, which helps them win the elections in these districts).

The only reason they are competitive in the presidential election is because of the arcane Electoral College system, which places more importance over winning states than winning people (surprise surprise, it gives an advantage to Republican states; when it was enacted it gave an advantage to slave states).

They packed our Supreme Court with right-wing lunatics who will force taxpayers to pay for religious schools and are already taking rights away from women.

They staged a coup attempt on January 6th, 2021, and it is still a bleeding wound in the stomach of our democracy.

They will gain a majority in both the House and Senate in 2022, but when the Democrat wins the White House in 2024, the Republican Congress will refuse to certify the election, leading to a national crisis. You don't want nuclear armed nations having crises right as the world economy has finally recovered from the Covid crisis. 

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