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1 hour ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

These dudes have had a rough time, I wonder whether there will be a prisoner exchange for them.

civilians fared worse. less than 8 minutes against Chechens.

I am concerned that Biden is going to upset China in the Pacific.

Japan and China are in tension.

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this is serious.

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4 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

These dudes have had a rough time, I wonder whether there will be a prisoner exchange for them.

I guess those are the guys from Mariupol? If they're Azov fascists they'll probably be at the very bottom of the list for possible exchanges anyway. If they were also involved in killing civilians in the Donbas in the last years they'll most likely be tried and sentenced in Russia. Especially since Ukraine started sentencing Russian soldiers.

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1 hour ago, Gurken Khan said:

tried

tried? in Russia? like Navalny I guess lol.

Here is a video that delves into the symbolism used by Azov battalion and its history. 

certainly there are nazi symbols and these seem to be related to the groups founding period. I also would doubt that each soldier in the group knew the history of the symbol. Of course the soldiers have a moral responsibility to know what signs they show, but probably most just think it is their symbol.

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18 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

tried? in Russia? like Navalny I guess lol.

I didn't include 'and sentenced' by accident. ;)

 

20 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

certainly there are nazi symbols and these seem to be related to the groups founding period. I also would doubt that each soldier in the group knew the history of the symbol. Of course the soldiers have a moral responsibility to know what signs they show, but probably most just think it is their symbol.

Yeah, no. I don't believe for a second that someone in Ukraine doesn't know who or what those nationalist and nazi parties and groups are. They were dominating the Maidan, could kill 'leftists' with impunity (like the dozens of union members burned alive in Odessa) and went on brutally discriminating against anyone they didn't like (and killed civilians in the Donbas).

And while our war propaganda keeps telling us that our 'freedom & democracy' is defended in Ukraine, I very much don't want 'freedom & democracy' a la Zelensky, where he declares opposition parties illegal, locks up numerous journalists and has his offshore accounts filled with dozens of millions USD by oligarchs.

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24 minutes ago, Gurken Khan said:

I didn't include 'and sentenced' by accident. ;)

 

Yeah, no. I don't believe for a second that someone in Ukraine doesn't know who or what those nationalist and nazi parties and groups are. They were dominating the Maidan, could kill 'leftists' with impunity (like the dozens of union members burned alive in Odessa) and went on brutally discriminating against anyone they didn't like (and killed civilians in the Donbas).

And while our war propaganda keeps telling us that our 'freedom & democracy' is defended in Ukraine, I very much don't want 'freedom & democracy' a la Zelensky, where he declares opposition parties illegal, locks up numerous journalists and has his offshore accounts filled with dozens of millions USD by oligarchs.

Can you put any independent sources for this information?

to be honest I don't even know what you mean by 'leftists', doesn't this vary from country to country?

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49 minutes ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

to be honest I don't even know what you mean by 'leftists', doesn't this vary from country to country?

I guess it does. Generally I believe people who support unions/workers' rights are considered to be left-leaning.

Here is an article I thought was very interesting: https://www.kontextwochenzeitung.de/debatte/573/wie-anarchistinnen-den-krieg-erleben-8091.html It describes how anarchists experienced the Maidan, how organized right-wingers dominated it etc. (With the state of auto-translators nowadays it should be understandable even for non-German speakers.) While those Ukrainian anarchists and their US partners might be considered left fringe, Kontext certainly is not, and I believe them when they write they tried to vet it as good as possible. When I pick up the trails and for example search for OHCHR + azov I find things like this: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_14th_HRMMU_Report.pdf I only had a cursory look, but Azov is mentioned several times.

Regarding declaring parties illegal: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=ukraine+party+illegal&ia=web Pick any. Some headlines call it a blow against free speech, others seem to support the 'ties with Russia' claim. I know parties were declared illegal even before the war, but I didn't search for it specifically.

Zelensky was mentioned in the Pandora papers, and already when he was campaigning some called him a puppet of Igor Kolomoisky: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

I just picked the first English source about a journalist who was arrested in Spain recently: https://marktaliano.net/ukrainian-journalist-arrested-in-spain-at-behest-of-kievs-intelligence-services/

 

1 hour ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

Can you put any independent sources for this information?

I hope that answered it, if not feel free to ask more specifically. :)

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Thanks @Gurken Khan they were interesting to read. I actually remember the bans on pro-Russian opposition groups.

It is a hairy situation for sure. It does not help the Ukrainians that there is a kernel of truth in the Russian allegations of nazism, and this makes them able to say the whole government is Nazi in order to justify the invasion.

A common holocaust denial belief is that Jews perpetrated the holocaust on themselves, like the Kremlin alluded to with the comments on Zelensky being Jewish. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna26872

 

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On 19/05/2022 at 5:41 PM, Gurken Khan said:

Some headlines call it a blow against free speech

If we take the case of "Opposition Platform — For Life", the party had as a chairman member someone very close to Putin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Medvedchuk

He was also a chairman of the Pro-Russian NGO "Ukrainian Choice" which is repeating Kremlin propaganda in Ukraine, saying that the Ukrainian state is like the third Reich, propagating also an anti-gay discourse (as same-sex marriage is a symbol of decaying West for the Kremlin) and hypocritically an anti-semitic discourse by saying the Jews are controlling the Ukrainian state:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Choice

There is also the case of Illia Kyva, an elected member of "Opposition Platform — For Life" in the parliament. He was also a member of another party now declared illegal, the Socialist Party of Ukraine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illia_Kyva

Illia Kyva supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine and called for a nuclear strike on Ukraine. He was also very close to important people in the armed battalions of pro-russian separatists.

Another one, if we take the party of Shariy, founded by Anatoly Shariy, we have one of the weirdest form of Pro-Russian propaganda:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Shariy#Relations_with_Russian_ultra-nationalists_and_anti-government_coups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Shariy#Shariy's_attitude_towards_homosexuality

We have an anti-Ukrainian politician which is clearly in favor of killing homosexuals, even in gas chambers, founding a party with people having ties with the pro-russian separatist armed forces or even having participated in the insurrection in 2014.

So I kinda understand those parties having been declared illegals due to the ongoing war. It's only this year that they have been prohibited.

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10 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

how much of the aid to Ukraine goes to food and medicine?

well even if food/med goes to ukraine, a food/ med company stands to benefit. This is no different from weapons except for what the products accomplish, one: death the others: life.

@Lion.Kanzen for sure I am tired of how much corporate influence matters in our politics. I think those companies should just be at the mercy of voters, to be honest, without the special privileges they get like funding political campaigns and tax deductions

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Very prolonged ...

now it makes sense to eat insects and climate change excuses.

The climate change excuse was to prepare for a war.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-russia-in-for-the-long-haul-and-possibly-heading-to-escalatory-trajectory-us-intel-fears-12610294

Also that China, USA and Russia will accumulate gold reserves...

And also that both countries were reserving food...etc.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/what-china-keeps-its-secretive-commodity-reserves-2021-08-05/

I hope this doesn't happen...

Better to be wise and prepare.

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6 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Even worse that these are a scam.

Renewable energies are a scam? Please elaborate.

Without imports of German renewable energy, la grande nation France would be sitting in the dark, because more than half of their nuclear facilities are off-line; nuclear energy is unsafe in more than just one way.

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