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12 minutes ago, Yekaterina said:

Why can't they co-exist peacefully?

That's not how imperialism works. You gotta play nice with the hegemon or else...

If you got an interesting geographical position (Cuba) and/or oil (Venezuela) you better open up your 'markets' and bases. Having a right wing government/(military) dictatorship is fine, having leftist ideas is not.

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I think the fault still lies with Venezuelan government to some degree.

Either they were stupid and did not see it coming; or they knew that was going to happen but thought it was worth it because of ideological reasons.

It is not like US randomly decided to sanction them for fun; they picked an unwinnable fight against a larger power.

If socialism would only work in a hypothetical scenario where there is no opposition at all; then i think it's fair to say it does not work.

And the sanctions only started in 2014 after major protests against the government and ensuing violent repression (so the country had problems before that).

 

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3 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

It is not like US randomly decided to sanction them for fun; they picked a unwinnable fight against a larger power.

The US does like to accuse random countries of something random, e.g. human right, owning a nuke, being terrorist. Then the US attacks them if it can, and if it can't, then the US just publically shames them and wage a trade war. Other countries are targets of scapegoating because there are too many problems within the US but their government can't fix those problems. Not many dare to defend themselves against the US so they sit there and watch or submit. 

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 In 1964 an intervention operation would take place in my country (Brazil) with the entire American Caribbean fleet led by a Forrestal class aircraft carrier, "luckily" the democratically elected President Jango exiled in Uruguay to avoid a civil war bloody, thanks to this we had happy two decades of Military Dictatorship, censorship, repression, a beginning of economic growth that later led the country to death, thousands of disappeared in the hands of the military, emergence of guerrillas against the dictatorship (severely crushed), mega works that serve as an excuse for cases of corruption and increased social inequality. I'm happy that nowadays the USA only has an economic blockade and sanctions against Venezuela.

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4 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

they knew that was going to happen but thought it was worth it because of ideological reasons.

Yeah, not submitting to 'All our bases and natural resources are belong to you' of course is a totally extreme ideology. (Iran, Kermit Roosevelt, the Dulles Bros. anyone?)

7 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

If socialism would only work in a hypothetical scenario where there is no opposition at all; then i think it's fair to say it does not work.

Cuba's still alive and kicking; despite the potentially crippling sanctions, terrorism etc. by the US. (Trump continually increased the sanctions, even during Corona, specifically to make the population suffer; in the end he even used the Navy against Cuban merchant ships.

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11 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

I think the fault still lies with Venezuelan government to some degree.

Either they were stupid and did not see it coming; or they knew that was going to happen but thought it was worth it because of ideological reasons.

It is not like US randomly decided to sanction them for fun; they picked a unwinnable fight against a larger power.

If socialism would only work in a hypothetical scenario where there is no opposition at all; then i think it's fair to say it does not work.

And the sanctions only started in 2014 after major protests against the government and ensuing violent repression (so the country had problems before that).

 


 Maduro is not a saint, Chaves also did not have any real improvement practices for the Venezuelan people, but make no mistake this has nothing to do with the defense of human rights, only ideology, but most of the crisis in Venezuela and that they are very dependent on the sale of oil to the US and its allies.

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Yes, i don't see a point on ''controlling'' resources if you can't trade them and economy goes to hell.

Is just for nationalist pride and being able to claim that you own them and you are indenpendent?

I think i'd rather live in a ''colonized'' country with a good economy; than in a poor ''free'' country.

And many Venezuelans do move to their more US-friendly neighbours (Colombia and Brazil) or the US itself.

I don't think the US is ''good'',  just that the Venezuelan government made very poor decisions.

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52 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

Yes, i don't see a point on ''controlling'' resources if you can't trade them and economy goes to hell.

Is just for nationalist pride and being able to claim that you own them and you are indenpendent?

I think i'd rather live in a ''colonized'' country with a good economy; than in a poor ''free'' country.

And many Venezuelans do move to their more US-friendly neighbours (Colombia and Brazil) or the US itself.

I don't think the US is ''good'',  just that the Venezuelan government made very poor decisions.

 

A good economy unfortunately may not make a country truly "rich" We have an example. Changes may not come to those at the bottom of the pyramid, and if "you" don't like it you will be labeled communist or anything seen as against ""capitalism".

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True, although on the other hand when the economy goes bad i think the changes reach the bottom of the pyramid more.

The US corporations who were interested in Venezuela are doing fine without the extra money; and same with the officials of the regime.

The only ones who are really losing from this are the common people.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/nicolas-maduro-ate-steak-at-salt-bae-restaurant-venezuela-starves-2018-9

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the financial sector never paid, for what they did in 2008.

 

 

One group that controls how aid is distributed is the G30.

 

They are all elite economists, proposing undemocratic ideas.

 

 

https://group30.org/members

I am not going to defend the hyper mega capitalists.

 

They continue to create crises with the Blackrock group.

 

Economical bubbles.

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5 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:

That's not how imperialism works. You gotta play nice with the hegemon or else...

If you got an interesting geographical position (Cuba) and/or oil (Venezuela) you better open up your 'markets' and bases. Having a right wing government/(military) dictatorship is fine, having leftist ideas is not.

Or a lot of resources like Mexico:

Ejem, Ejem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_drug_war

A while ago I saw that there is a great possibility that another Mexico-United States war could occur.

It's funny to think that.

 

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1 minute ago, Lopess said:

“Pobre México, tan lejos de Dios y tan cerca de Estados Unidos”.

Mexico's problem is drug traf@#$%ers.

 

Second, the fault is not solely the USA or even the US people.

 

Most of the bankers live in Europe.

 

The US problem is DARPA.

Cuba for example is a failed state. And the United States is close.

Living in Cuba as a Cuban is a nightmare.

I met many Cubans here in Honduras.

 

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Just now, Lion.Kanzen said:

Mexico's problem is drug traf@#$%ers.

 

Second, the fault is not solely the USA or even the US people.

 

Most of the bankers live in Europe.

 

The US problem is DARPA.

Cuba for example is a failed state. And the United States is close.

Living in Cuba as a Cuban is a nightmare.

I met many Cubans here in Honduras.

 

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicación_de_la_CIA_en_el_tráfico_de_drogas

https://lasillarota.com/cia-cartel-guadalajara-contra-nicaragua/211091

https://www.infobae.com/america/mexico/2021/05/23/caso-kiki-camarena-nuevas-sospechas-reviven-un-caso-que-marco-el-rumbo-del-narco-en-mexico/

https://es.insightcrime.org/noticias/analisis/documentos-revelan-vinculos-entre-la-cia-y-guadalajara-no-complot/

La guerra empezó cuando agarraron a el Lider del cartel de Guadalajara.

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Just now, Trinketos said:

Yes, but this drug will continue simply because of the cultural decadence of liberal states where light penalties are imposed.

 

I have to admit that Andrés Manuel López Obrador does not do it badly, but he is naive.

Instead the FARC revolutionary group,continues to finance drug traf@#$%ing along with Venezuela.

https://razonpublica.com/las-farc-y-el-narcotrafico-el-motivo-y-el-pretexto/

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The problem of interventions in Latin America is due to the military industrial complex.

 

Socialism is not going to change that.

 

In Mexico, the PRI, which was a puppet government of the globalists, was removed.

 

You just have to compare the covers of economist magazines, about Mexican Presidents.

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1 minute ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Yes, but this drug will continue simply because of the cultural decadence of liberal states where light penalties are imposed.

 

I have to admit that Andrés Manuel López Obrador does not do it badly, but he is naive.

Instead the FARC revolutionary group,continues to finance drug traf@#$%ing along with Venezuela.

https://razonpublica.com/las-farc-y-el-narcotrafico-el-motivo-y-el-pretexto/

And the libertards want somethino like in Mexico, Weak state and strong corporations (in this case cartels).

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1 minute ago, Trinketos said:

Son Neoliberales.

Creo que el Neoliberalismo es lo peor del capitalismo.

The problem with that term is that it is always said by little recommended people like Maduro.

It is no longer capitalism if there are monopolies.

Libertarians don't know much about the system they defend.

 

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