wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 6 hours ago, Lopess said: Proposal - Zapotec rulers of the Preclassic Period, early classic. ( AI player names) The current names are PosClasico (1300-1520), In this proposal there are only attested names from preclassic to classic (200 BC - 550 AD) It's not perfect but it's much closer. - 200 B.C. (5 Alligator) /// Chantino ///Gaayu’ Chilla - 400 A.D.- 550 A.D. (8 earthquake)///Monte Albán ///Xhono Xoo (11 Rain)///Monte Albán ///Chii ne tobi Lape (4 Alligator )///Monte Albán ///Tapa Chilla (13 Soap plant )///Monte Albán ///Chii ne chonna Piya (5 jaguar)///Monte Albán ///Gaayu’ Beedxe (13 earthquake)///Monte Albán ///Chii ne chonna Guela Fonts:http://www.famsi.org/zapotecwriting/zapotec_figures.pdf *There are a few more names, I will consult my pdfs and leave this post. *The translations for Zapoteco are mine, from online content, I believe the numbers are very "up to date" if someone has more contact with the language even more with Proto-Zapoteco would be of great help. Which names would you use? For instance, 5 Alligator or Gaayu’ Chilla? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 10 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Which names would you use? For instance, 5 Alligator or Gaayu’ Chilla? Honestly, I still don't have an opinion, but I believe that the name in Zapoteco is more "cool" and unique. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasaavawar Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 My proposal: - Heroes need to be historical characters, jaguar king and battle priest are cool as special units, not as heroes. - They need at least 1 warship, probably just a longer and wider but similar styled canoe (and those canoes should have patterns a little different that those from the buildings). - Idk how realistic it is to give them that battery ram. What do you think about a basic battery ram like the one of the Scythians? This one could be made of stone instead of wood. - The actual wonder is pretty nice modeled, and it could be used as an special temple. But what do you think of the Mitla's palace as the wonder? https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/5ca28997-fd97-4f39-8ce6-82a48fe65772/Mitla-the-hall-of-columns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Dasaavawar said: Heroes need to be historical characters, jaguar king and battle priest are cool as special units, not as heroes. As far as I know, Lord Jaguar, Lord Night, et al. were historical characters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 19 hours ago, Dasaavawar said: My proposal: - Heroes need to be historical characters, jaguar king and battle priest are cool as special units, not as heroes. - They need at least 1 warship, probably just a longer and wider but similar styled canoe (and those canoes should have patterns a little different that those from the buildings). - Idk how realistic it is to give them that battery ram. What do you think about a basic battery ram like the one of the Scythians? This one could be made of stone instead of wood. - The actual wonder is pretty nice modeled, and it could be used as an special temple. But what do you think of the Mitla's palace as the wonder? https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/5ca28997-fd97-4f39-8ce6-82a48fe65772/Mitla-the-hall-of-columns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitla Hello @Dasaavawar About the Heroes it was very difficult to find them are real names of Zapotec rulers of Monte Alban in the pre-Classic and Early Classic period(Take a look at the reference links I quoted above.). Their names are attested (names date as was common at that time) but as we do not yet have a complete translation of the Zapotec writing system, we therefore do not have access to their recorded heroic deeds. Miltla was not a big city even in 500 BC. -1.a.c (period of 0ad) Nor in period 1 d.c. to 500 d.c. (period that I believe Delenda Est accesses in a way too). Mitla only became the city we see after the fall of Monte Alban. About the siege ram and the canoe are themes that have been and can still be debated.We have two facts 1# The Mesoamericans already knew about the wheel, but we don't have access to any information about a use in a siege ram. But that doesn't change the fact that a ram for gameplay effects becomes necessary in 0ad. 2# Canoes were known throughout America but we have to remember the Zapotecs even in the Mesoamerican context was not a civilization marked by the domination of the sea, in fact they were much more a mountain people and high altitude valleys than anything else. Sorry, my google translater english. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 I intend to make this mod available with the Zapotecs in mod.io this weekend, if anyone has any good ideas or observations about it I'm available. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 @Itms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted October 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 it would be nice to upload gameplay. To present the state of the mod. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 I plan to make some adjustments on Saturday, and on Sunday send it to mod.io and request the release of itms. I believe that little has to be done, that the biggest problems are some technologies that I broke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) I intend to expose here a sequence of realistic technologies for the Forge (or armory) Pre-Classic Zapotec (and for Mesoamericans in general). Initially, I intend to replace a standard 0ad technology with a name and technology suitable for a preclassical Mesoamerican civilization. Then we can discuss unique technologies and in the future some Zapoteco names for them. Mesoamerican forge (Zapotec armory) tecnologics soldier_attack_melee_01 -- Secondary weapon// Chert knife. soldier_attack_melee_02 -- Improves obsidian blades. soldier_attack_melee_03 -- Improves green obsidian blades. soldier_attack_ranged_01 -- atlatl. soldier_attack_ranged_02 -- Chert arrowhead. soldier_attack_ranged_03 -- obsidian arrowhead. soldier_resistance_hack_01 -- padded armor. soldier_resistance_hack_02 -- armor padded with salt. soldier_resistance_hack_03 -- wood reinforced helmets. soldier_resistance_pierce_01 -- reinforced shields. soldier_resistance_pierce_02 -- leather reinforced shields. soldier_resistance_pierce_03 -- wood reinforced shields. archer_attack_spread -- atlatl training. Edited November 9, 2021 by Lopess 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 Other features that can be considered. Military organization with the insignia of officers who would help organize the battlefield and formations. Fire attacks against enemy structures. In addition to protecting battle uniforms, they had strong ritual and psychological value. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted November 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Lopess said: I intend to expose here a sequence of realistic technologies for the Forge (or armory) Pre-Classic Zapotec (and for Mesoamericans in general). Initially, I intend to replace a standard 0ad technology with a name and technology suitable for a preclassical Mesoamerican civilization. Then we can discuss unique technologies and in the future some Zapoteco names for them. Mesoamerican forge (Zapotec armory) tecnologics soldier_attack_melee_01 -- Secondary weapon// Chert knife. soldier_attack_melee_02 -- Improves obsidian blades. soldier_attack_melee_03 -- Improves green obsidian blades. soldier_attack_ranged_01 -- atlatl. soldier_attack_ranged_02 -- Chert arrowhead. soldier_attack_ranged_03 -- obsidian arrowhead. soldier_resistance_hack_01 -- padded armor. soldier_resistance_hack_02 -- armor padded with salt. soldier_resistance_hack_03 -- wood reinforced helmets. soldier_resistance_pierce_01 -- reinforced shields. soldier_resistance_pierce_02 -- leather reinforced shields. soldier_resistance_pierce_03 -- wood reinforced shields. archer_attack_spread -- atlatl training. @wowgetoffyourcellphone this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 Proposal for a banner for the Zapotecos. ( I'm still researching more technologies. ) 61968-Texto del artículo-4564456557126-2-10-20181119.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted January 3, 2023 Report Share Posted January 3, 2023 Zapotec preclassic city and palace outside Monte Alban "control": https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1701336114 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted October 24, 2023 Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Dynasty and Hierarchy in the Tombs of Monte Albán Oaxaca.pdf Codices_on_Stone_Genesis_of_Writing_in_A.pdf Early_Transformations_of_Monte_Alban_s_M.pdf The_Zapotec_writing_system.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapotec_script Edited October 24, 2023 by Genava55 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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