Addition of Han Chinese to 0AD

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

4 hours ago, AIEND said:

In fact, the rice fields should be handed over to the Indians, who more widely depend on rice as their staple food.

We can consider giving rice fields to the Mauryas after a little more research perhaps next alpha.

 

4 hours ago, AIEND said:

If you wish to give China a unique crop, we would prefer millet (粟Su), which was the staple food in China until the Tang Dynasty.

Millet does look different from wheat. Will have to investigate how to make a Millet Field look nice in the game. 

 

4 hours ago, AIEND said:

We don't want other countries' understanding of our staple food to stay on the stereotype of modern times, after all, this is the Han Dynasty and not the 19th century.

I don't think it was trying to play up a stereotype, but instead attempting to make something unique.  

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

@AIEND We need a Chinese word for Chariot or War Chariot. I am making the unit now.

[AIEND]

12 分钟前，wowgetoffyourcellphone 说：

@AIEND 我们需要一个中文单词来表示战车或战车。 我现在正在制作单元。

Can be called "战车（Zhanche）".

[AIEND]

In addition, it is recommended to put the sword and shield hands of the Han army in the first stage instead of the second, like the Romans, because swordsmen are almost everywhere in Han society, and the army can easily recruit swordsmen, but using 戟(JI ) soldiers with weapons of equal length require special training. For the same reason crossbowmen should also be placed in the first stage, just like javelinmen and slingers of other factions. Archers and 戟手（Jishou） can be placed in the second stage, in our opinion, training these types of soldiers is more laborious.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

9 hours ago, AIEND said:

In addition, it is recommended to put the sword and shield hands of the Han army in the first stage instead of the second, like the Romans, because swordsmen are almost everywhere in Han society, and the army can easily recruit swordsmen, but using 戟(JI ) soldiers with weapons of equal length require special training. For the same reason crossbowmen should also be placed in the first stage, just like javelinmen and slingers of other factions. Archers and 戟手（Jishou） can be placed in the second stage, in our opinion, training these types of soldiers is more laborious.

I agree with these changes to unit availability, because I know that training crossbowmen was easier than training archers, however, the balancing team wants archers in first stage for gameplay balance reasons. If I put swordsman in first stage, are you okay with crossbowmen in second stage?

[hyperion]

The argument for spear and bows to be available in earlier phases is the lower tech requirement for a civ to produce those weapons. I'd equate p1 to stone age, p2 to copper age and p3 to bronze age roughly.

The high number of warhorses in p1 of a typical 0ad army is quite off

[AIEND]

8 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

我同意这些对单位可用性的更改，因为我知道训练弩手比训练弓箭手更容易，但是出于游戏平衡的原因，平衡团队希望弓箭手在第一阶段。 如果我把剑士放在第一阶段，你对弩手在第二阶段好吗？

Does the balance team consider crossbowmen to be stronger units than archers? In our opinion, crossbowmen are not as strong as archers, they reload arrows more slowly, but the arrows they shoot are not more powerful.

[AIEND]

8小时前，hyperion 说道：

矛和弓在早期阶段可用的论据是文明生产这些武器的技术要求较低。 我将 p1 等同于石器时代，p2 等同于铜器时代，p3 等同于青铜时代。

典型的 0ad 军队的 p1 中的大量战马相当离谱

But P1 of 0 AD is already in the Bronze and even Iron Age, and P2 and P3 should be the age of steel, because the countries that appeared were all after 500 BC, especially the Han Dynasty was established in 202 BC Yes, he already had steel weapons, crossbows, cavalry and chariots as soon as he was established.

[AIEND]

Can you add the language Chinese(literary) to Transfex? It was the office language of China until the early 20th century, and it is also learned today in junior and senior high schools. We need this language to make the next version of Chinese mods if the next alpha is likely to join the Han Dynasty. In addition, we hope to completely correct the Hanyu pinyin naming of buildings and arms in the Han Dynasty. We have noticed that some of the names will be unfamiliar to the Chinese after they are translated into Chinese.

[AIEND]

9 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

我同意这些对单位可用性的更改，因为我知道训练弩手比训练弓箭手更容易，但是出于游戏平衡的原因，平衡团队希望弓箭手在第一阶段。 如果我把剑士放在第一阶段，你对弩手在第二阶段好吗？

In the Han army, there are general crossbows and crossbows with high power. You can put one of them in the first stage and the other in the third stage as the champion of "Yulin".
This needs to change stan's original design for champion units. Regarding "Yulin", swordsmen are not needed. These guards are usually archers, Jishou, crossbowmen and cavalry.

[Lion.Kanzen]

33 minutes ago, AIEND said:

Can you add the language Chinese(literary) to Transfex? It was the office language of China until the early 20th century, and it is also learned today in junior and senior high schools. We need this language to make the next version of Chinese mods if the next alpha is likely to join the Han Dynasty. In addition, we hope to completely correct the Hanyu pinyin naming of buildings and arms in the Han Dynasty. We have noticed that some of the names will be unfamiliar to the Chinese after they are translated into Chinese.

We need volunteers.

[AIEND]

6 小时前，Lion.Kanzen 理论：

我们需要志愿者。

There is no shortage of language-related volunteers in China. We have completed the work of Simplified Chinese. I hope the application for the Chinese (literary) language will be approved quickly so that we can start new jobs as soon as possible. In addition, I noticed that the application for ancient greek language has been pending for a long time, and perhaps Greek volunteers are also looking forward to it.

Edited February 25, 2022 by AIEND

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

3 hours ago, AIEND said:

Does the balance team consider crossbowmen to be stronger units than archers? In our opinion, crossbowmen are not as strong as archers, they reload arrows more slowly, but the arrows they shoot are not more powerful.

Indeed, I am attempting to argue that crossbowmen should be unique units, unlike archers, slingers, or javelinists. 

[Lion.Kanzen]

@AIEND

ideas for relics. Almost each faction have a relic in that mode.

Another question: which mercenaries  can be suitable?

[AIEND]

1 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

@AIEND

遗物的想法。 几乎每个派系都有该模式的遗物。

还有一个问题：哪些佣兵可以适合？

The best is the fifth emperor of the Han Dynasty, Han Wudi Liu Che（汉武帝-刘彻）.

In fact, I don't think mercenaries are needed, because it is difficult for the surrounding ethnic groups to provide superior arms that the Han Dynasty did not have.

[Lion.Kanzen]

4 minutes ago, AIEND said:

The best is the fifth emperor of the Han Dynasty, Han Wudi Liu Che（汉武帝-刘彻）.

In fact, I don't think mercenaries are needed, because it is difficult for the surrounding ethnic groups to provide superior arms that the Han Dynasty did not have.

Not even trash units?

[AIEND]

21 分钟前，wowgetoffyourcellphone 说：

事实上，我试图争辩说弩手应该是独特的单位，不像弓箭手、投石手或标枪手。 

Indeed, the crossbow is a unique weapon. The arrows are shorter and the range is longer, but the reloading speed and power are not better than that of the bow. Otherwise, the Han army does not need to keep the bow and arrow.

The status of bows and arrows in the Han Dynasty was more reflected in the shooting of chariots and cavalry.

[AIEND]

2 分钟前，Lion.Kanzen 说：

连垃圾单位都没有？

The army of the Han Dynasty was a standing army. Their weapons and equipment had uniform specifications and their training had an average level. Therefore, the differences caused by other ethnic groups having their soldiers self-armed and trained by themselves are difficult to find in the Han army.
It is not necessary to provide a mercenary that is worse than the Han army soldiers. I think only the Xiongnu's "Eagle Shooter（射雕者Shediaozhe）" is more suitable, this is a horse archer who shoots very accurately.

[Carltonus]

To be honest, the Old Chinese romanization should be the one put in the specific name parameter of the xmls, and pinyin (or other romanization) mixed with English/transifex in generic.

[Stan`]

I'm not gonna add all those languages for no reason, as it's useless clutter so can you tell me which one you really need?

[Stan`]

We already have Standard Chinese and Taiwan Chinese.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

1 hour ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

ideas for relics. Almost each faction have a relic in that mode.

 

There is already a Catafalque. And in fact, it already is named after Emperor Wu even.  

[AIEND]

1 hour ago, Stan` said:

我不会无缘无故地添加所有这些语言，因为它是无用的混乱，所以你能告诉我你真正需要哪一种吗？

We need Chinese (literary), which was the common office language in China before the 20th century. Unlike modern Chinese which is classified into as many dialects as you see.

In China, together with Standard Chinese, we call it the two major standards of Chinese—文言文 and 白话文.

[AIEND]

2 小时前，Stan` 说：

我不会无缘无故地添加所有这些语言，因为它是无用的混乱，所以你能告诉我你真正需要哪一种吗？

In fact, our translation team is very angry that someone has repeatedly applied for a large number of dialects, but they do not translate at all. We believe that this is deliberately adding confusion and causing the projects that really need to be completed to fail the application.
If you think it is necessary, after adding Chinese (literary) language, you can remove those messy dialect items.

Edited February 25, 2022 by AIEND

[Yekaterina]

45 minutes ago, AIEND said:

you think it is necessary, after adding Chinese (literary) language, you can remove those messy dialect items

现代的普通话可以吗？