wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Zapotecs version 0.1 Based heavily upon the great work being done by the Terra Magna mod team The Zapotec lived in the Valley of Oaxaca, the largest expanse of relatively flat land in southern Mexico. Around 500 B.C.E. they built Monte Albán on the flattened top of a mountain in the center of the valley, the first urban center in Mesoamerica. Monte Albán covered an area of 2.5 square miles and its population grew from 5,000 to 25,000. It boasted the first centralized political system and population divided into social classes. Lasting for about a 1,000 years it became the dominant power in southern Mexico, ruled by nobles and strong military. Lacking in a strong agricultural base, their economy was based on the collection of tribute from surrounding groups. By the 7th century C.E. its power began to wane through competition and unsustainable population growth. Other characteristic features of Zapotec civilization can be found in the periods following Monte Albán's founding, including a characteristic two-chambered temple architecture, a market system, a rubber-ball game, and the human-like funerary vessels called Zapotec urns. Between 200 - 900 C.E. Monte Albán acquired a Classic style representative of Mesoamerican groups, most likely through conquest. Population growth, writing, architecture and art flourished, centering around the noble class and the hierarchy of Zapotec gods. Units Civic Center Zapotec Citizen Male and Female variations. Some textures and meshes by @Lopess Jaguar King (Hero) Nearby Soldiers are stronger and move faster. Nearby Citizens and Slaves gather much faster. Battle Priest (Hero) Reduces the effectiveness of nearby enemy units, due to his terrifying visage (Battle Priests wear the skin of their enemies) Has a healing aura for nearby Zapotec units as well as a strong self-healing ability. Barracks Zapotec Runner Lightly armed Scout unit Can Hunt Can build Outposts Zapotec Spearman Macuahuitl Infantry Archery Range Zapotec Slinger Zapotec Skirmisher Zapotec Archer Archery Tradition tech gives them greater accuracy and -50% xp required for promotion Fortress Zapotec Noble Warrior Champion Macuahuitl Warrior Mercenaries Mixtec Jaguar Warrior Mercenary Champion Spearman Very much like the Gaesetae Naked Fanatic for the Gauls Otomi Maceman Mercenary Maceman A small Crush attack Teotihuacan Warrior Mercenary Multi-purpose Warrior An extra fast ranged unit, similar to a Cavalry Archer or Cavalry Skirmisher in ability Can swap between atlatl-thrown javelins and a (melee) heavy spear Others War Captive Slave class unit, trained from Storehouses and Farmsteads Zapotec Priest Battering Ram War Canoe Fires arrows and can fish for food. Trade Canoe Zapotec Structures Zapotecs have average-strength structures with an average number of structure technologies and upgrades. They have no access to cavalry, so do not have a Cavalry Stable. Their "Cult Statue" glory trickle building is the Ball Court. Only 1 is buildable, but it gives a trickle of glory 4x greater than a regular Cult Statue from a different civ. The Wonder gives a trickle of glory as well and can be praised by units for more glory. They have a greater reliance on stone for technologies, and a less reliance on metal compared to other civs. Lastly, they start each skirmish match with a free extra stone mine nearby. Atlatl can be a special technology. Adds range and accuracy for Javelin infantry. Eventual the Maya will get this special tech too. More References Spoiler Edited March 15, 2021 by wowgetoffyourcellphone 12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Apolo.rva Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 14/03/2021 at 4:13 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Zapotecs version 0.1 Based heavily upon the great work being done by the Terra Magna mod team The Zapotec lived in the Valley of Oaxaca, the largest expanse of relatively flat land in southern Mexico. Around 500 B.C.E. they built Monte Albán on the flattened top of a mountain in the center of the valley, the first urban center in Mesoamerica. Monte Albán covered an area of 2.5 square miles and its population grew from 5,000 to 25,000. It boasted the first centralized political system and population divided into social classes. Lasting for about a 1,000 years it became the dominant power in southern Mexico, ruled by nobles and strong military. Lacking in a strong agricultural base, their economy was based on the collection of tribute from surrounding groups. By the 7th century C.E. its power began to wane through competition and unsustainable population growth. Other characteristic features of Zapotec civilization can be found in the periods following Monte Albán's founding, including a characteristic two-chambered temple architecture, a market system, a rubber-ball game, and the human-like funerary vessels called Zapotec urns. Between 200 - 900 C.E. Monte Albán acquired a Classic style representative of Mesoamerican groups, most likely through conquest. Population growth, writing, architecture and art flourished, centering around the noble class and the hierarchy of Zapotec gods. Units Civic Center Zapotec Citizen Male and Female variations. Some textures and meshes by @Lopess Jaguar King (Hero) Nearby Soldiers are stronger and move faster. Nearby Citizens and Slaves gather much faster. Battle Priest (Hero) Reduces the effectiveness of nearby enemy units, due to his terrifying visage (Battle Priests wear the skin of their enemies) Has a healing aura for nearby Zapotec units as well as a strong self-healing ability. Barracks Zapotec Runner Lightly armed Scout unit Can Hunt Can build Outposts Zapotec Spearman Macuahuitl Infantry Archery Range Zapotec Slinger Zapotec Skirmisher Zapotec Archer Archery Tradition tech gives them greater accuracy and -50% xp required for promotion Fortress Zapotec Noble Warrior Champion Macuahuitl Warrior Mercenaries Mixtec Jaguar Warrior Mercenary Champion Spearman Very much like the Gaesetae Naked Fanatic for the Gauls Otomi Maceman Mercenary Maceman A small Crush attack Teotihuacan Warrior Mercenary Multi-purpose Warrior An extra fast ranged unit, similar to a Cavalry Archer or Cavalry Skirmisher in ability Can swap between atlatl-thrown javelins and a (melee) heavy spear Others War Captive Slave class unit, trained from Storehouses and Farmsteads Zapotec Priest Battering Ram War Canoe Fires arrows and can fish for food. Trade Canoe Zapotec Structures Zapotecs have average-strength structures with an average number of structure technologies and upgrades. They have no access to cavalry, so do not have a Cavalry Stable. Their "Cult Statue" glory trickle building is the Ball Court. Only 1 is buildable, but it gives a trickle of glory 4x greater than a regular Cult Statue from a different civ. The Wonder gives a trickle of glory as well and can be praised by units for more glory. They have a greater reliance on stone for technologies, and a less reliance on metal compared to other civs. Lastly, they start each skirmish match with a free extra stone mine nearby. Atlatl can be a special technology. Adds range and accuracy for Javelin infantry. Eventual the Maya will get this special tech too. More References Reveal hidden contents Hola, soy nuevo en los foros, me gustaría ayudar a que el concepto artístico de la facción este más pulido y más acercado a la realidad, encuentro en el mod unas unidades y unas mecánicas muy divertidas de jugar pero estéticamente, al menos las estructuras no son para nada zapotecas, si acaso algo que mel Gibson hubiese hecho para una película estado unidense de una cultura mesoamericana. Y es decir el mod es genial!! Pero francamente se ve igual de mal que las facciones azteca y maya de age of empires. Me gustaría ayudar con lo poco que se, gracias por leerme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Apolo.rva said: Hola, soy nuevo en los foros, me gustaría ayudar a que el concepto artístico de la facción este más pulido y más acercado a la realidad, encuentro en el mod unas unidades y unas mecánicas muy divertidas de jugar pero estéticamente, al menos las estructuras no son para nada zapotecas, si acaso algo que mel Gibson hubiese hecho para una película estado unidense de una cultura mesoamericana. Y es decir el mod es genial!! Pero francamente se ve igual de mal que las facciones azteca y maya de age of empires. Me gustaría ayudar con lo poco que se, gracias por leerme! Las originales están en Rise of Est (Terra Magna Mod) alli @Lopess contestó tu pregunta. en qué quieres ayudar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 I was thinking of having some kind of bonus or aura if you garrison your chosen hero into the Wonder. Any ideas what the bonus should be? Also, @Freagarach @wraitii @Angen: If I make a "garrisonedidle" variant, can I make the hero at the top of the wonder perform a specific idle animation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: @Lopess @Lion.Kanzen you need something like a psychological technology, I will tell you what it is... I think it would look good on the Jaguar warrior. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagual specifically their elite warriors absorbed the animal spirit by which they were born. This animal spirit was determined by the animal day what were they born. The source say: "In Mesoamerican folk religion, a nagual (pronounced [na'wal]) is a human being who has the power to shapeshift into a jaguar form. A widespread superstition holds that Naguals must make a pact with the devil as well as make him an offering.[1]" Mesoamerican belief in tonalism, wherein every person has an animal counterpart to which his life force is linked, is drawn upon by Nagualism.[2][3] The nagual trait is acquired at birth, along with other characteristics associated with a person's birth day. Each day is associated with an animal that has strong and weak aspects. A person born on "Dog Day" would have both strong and weak 'dog' aspects. In Nahuatl the word tonalli is used to refer both to a day and to the animal associated with that day. The nagual is considered different; where the tonal is the day spirit itself, the nagual is the familiar spirit of the day. It is probable that the tonal represents the daytime aspect and the nagual the nighttime aspect of the tonalli, 'the things of the day'. Practitioners of powerful magic were normally born on days related to animals with a strong or harmful aspect. They would have specific tonals such as the jaguar or puma. In Aztec mythology the god Tezcatlipoca was the protector of Nagualism, because his tonal was the jaguar and he governed the distribution of wealth. Edited March 19, 2021 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 I could see revamping the entire Temple tech tree as well as the Forge tech tree. I'll have to work closely with you guys to find proper technology ideas for these 2 structures specifically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: I was thinking of having some kind of bonus or aura if you garrison your chosen hero into the Wonder. Any ideas what the bonus should be? Also, @Freagarach @wraitii @Angen: If I make a "garrisonedidle" variant, can I make the hero at the top of the wonder perform a specific idle animation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: The Zapotecs believed that their rulers were descended from the gods, which is why they called themselves people of the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: The Zapotecs believed that their rulers were descended from the gods, which is why they called themselves people of the sky. El gobierno de la Cultura Zapoteca se destaco por tener reyes que llevaron a cabo la soberanía exterior y los sacerdotes estaban ligados por la divinidad quienes fingían como jueces supremos al interior del reino, sus gobernantes principales fueron Xipe Totec, asimismo Cosijo y Pitacosobi. It was a theocracy where generally Cosijo was the most common name for a king since it was the name of a God as well. Precisely the classical period, Cocijo was related to the jaguar https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitao_Cocijo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 57 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: The Zapotecs believed that their rulers were descended from the gods, which is why they called themselves people of the sky. El gobierno de la Cultura Zapoteca se destaco por tener reyes que llevaron a cabo la soberanía exterior y los sacerdotes estaban ligados por la divinidad quienes fingían como jueces supremos al interior del reino, sus gobernantes principales fueron Xipe Totec, asimismo Cosijo y Pitacosobi. It was a theocracy where generally Cosijo was the most common name for a king since it was the name of a God as well. Precisely the classical period, Cocijo was related to the jaguar https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitao_Cocijo @Lion.KanzenRemember also the calendar names, the walls of Monte alba were full of them, in the main the building already climbs the conquests of that city and the kings they conquered. zapotec_figures2_es.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Lopess said: @Lion.KanzenRemember also the calendar names, the walls of Monte alba were full of them, in the main the building already climbs the conquests of that city and the kings they conquered. zapotec_figures2_es.pdf 2 MB · 0 downloads It would be cool to have statues and stelae for the mod. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 34 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: It would be cool to have statues and stelae for the mod. Perhaps we can also add this as a second special structure. The dancers portrayed were actually dead enemy warriors and kings, being one of the first large constructions in the city. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Lopess said: Perhaps we can also add this as a second special structure. The dancers portrayed were actually dead enemy warriors and kings, being one of the first large constructions in the city. That's a great structure. What would be the structure's benefit or bonus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: That's a great structure. What would be the structure's benefit or bonus? Something to think about, given the general meaning of the structure, I would think of some militaristic and or religious bonus, at that time things were together, more defeated enemies = more power and taxes = captives for sacrifices to the gods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Did the Zapotecs have plumbing or sewer systems? Pipes? Aqueducts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Did the Zapotecs have plumbing or sewer systems? Pipes? Aqueducts? sewer. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-00268-8_4 Quote In the past, between the sixth century BCE and the ninth century CE, the Zapotec people managed rainwater in Monte Albán, in the state of Oaxaca, south of Mexico, through terraces, canals, dams, and wells. Water was a keystone of their worldview and ritual practice. Today, this knowledge is in oblivion. Rapid but irregular urbanization threatens the remnants of these water control systems, still hidden on this archaeological hill site. Our ongoing interdisciplinary project, Parque Monte Albán, has centered on the water that flows down the hill and offers new strategies to increase the value and quality of water by revitalizing and redesigning ancient hydraulic technology. In the short and long term, our solutions can restore the natural environment, improve the quality of urban living, and help protect archaeological heritage. Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 replica of death Mask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Spoiler many of them uses this skull paints. Death was, for many of the Mesoamerican peoples, of great importance within their belief system. Death in the pre-Hispanic world was a reality with which they coexisted; in their thinking there was no rupture between the life-death extremes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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