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2 hours ago, m7600 said:

and as if snarky comments was positive feedback.

 

On 10/7/2020 at 9:14 PM, vinme said:

XD what are you a communist? next thing u know ull be suprised at corruption being all like "it was supposed to be for the people! by the people! whaaa whaa whaaaaaaaaaaa"

 

On 10/7/2020 at 9:26 PM, smiley said:

You never fail to disappoint me. Sometimes, I see something and I am like, surely this is peak.

Your snark-o-meter is malfunctioning. While I am not one to hold back in actual arguments, I went for the most neutral thing possible in that reply.

Regardless, he takes pride in being the uncaring bada$$ who says whatever is on his mind unaplogetically as he mentioned in this thread. Don't dish out what you can't take.

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16 hours ago, smiley said:

Isn't there only one interpretation of that though? Can it ever refer to anything but half past midnight?

There is only 1 official definition of it, but it's still confusing to people who grew up with the 24 clock.

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On 10/10/2020 at 11:12, implodedok said:

I've changed the forum locale from English UK to English GB.  It's using a 24 hour time format now.

Thank you! However, I noticed 10/09/2020 has now become 09/10/2020, which may confuse some Americans. Is it possible to change this to e.g. “Oct 9” (as used on phabricator), “9 Oct” (as used on github), or “2020-10-09” (ISO 8601 standard), to avoid ambiguity?

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On 14/10/2020 at 9:20 AM, implodedok said:

I've changed it to en_DK locale instead of en_GB.  The date format is is now yyyy-mm-dd, at least when you hover over dates.  This is as best as can be done with our forum software.

Thanks, however, in quotes it's still 14/10 and those have 9:20 AM again. Moreover 2,011 has become 2.011. en_GB was probably better.

Ideally the month name would be written out or abbreviated; e.g. in Java, MM produces 10, MMM Oct, MMMM October. I gather a custom forum locale is not possible?

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Given that en-us is the default in most cases and most of the world uses mostly American English these days, just keep en-us. And I don't believe there is anyone not knowing how to interpret the AM/PM notation. It's not hard, teaching them is easier than messing with locales.

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15 hours ago, implodedok said:

I quite like 2.011 instead of 2,011 though.

In the entire English-speaking world, the comma is the thousands separator and the point the decimal separator—unlike most of Europe, where it's usually the other way around.

(Personally I prefer a non-breaking space.)

12 hours ago, smiley said:

Given that en-us is the default in most cases and most of the world uses mostly American English these days, just keep en-us. And I don't believe there is anyone not knowing how to interpret the AM/PM notation. It's not hard, teaching them is easier than messing with locales.

Whilst the USA has a large footprint and American spelling is becoming increasingly dominant, American standards are not automatically the international default; most of the world uses the metric system and the A4 paper format, for instance. Likewise, day-month-year is far more common than month-day-year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country#Usage_map

At least as important as how common something is, is that unnecessary ambiguity ought to be avoided. Whilst the a.m./p.m. system is easy to learn, not everyone is equally familiar with it (I've encountered several people over the years who misunderstood it), whereas the 24-hour format is immediately and correctly understood worldwide.

Likewise, 10/9 and 9/10 are less clear than Oct 9 or 9 Oct.

Wikipedia uses 13:57, 9 October 2020; github 9 Oct 2020, 13:57; both are based in the USA. The United Nations (headquarters in New York) uses 9 October 2020 as well.

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3 hours ago, Nescio said:

Wikipedia uses 13:57, 9 October 2020; github 9 Oct 2020, 13:57; both are based in the USA. The United Nations (headquarters in New York) uses 9 October 2020 as well.

None of them are well known for their amazing UI/UX. I find it unnecessarily verbose and lengthy.

And in my entire life, I have never found anyone who got confused by AM/PM. But by my own logic, I should be arguing for 24 hours.

And I fail to see how moving from one arbitrary standard to another improves things. That's the point of locales. It's completely subjective. So the best thing to do is just have the default be the industry standard, which is also what all software and operating systems use out of the box. And maybe ask IPB devs to implement locales how everyone else does it.

Regardless, this is not a hill I am gonna die on. I am pretty confident I can parse out dates in any locale.

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The real problem is that the locale is server-based, not client based. There's nothing we can do about that until the forum software starts supporting a user option here. It's just a common misconception that communities are monolingual.

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