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7 minutes ago, jorellaf said:

Well, the definition is given as jarðhús, which is literally Old Norse for earth house, so I don't think that works either.

:rolleyes: so much for that

11 minutes ago, jorellaf said:

What do you think of just using 'warrior-house' (the last suggestion)? Would you consider it less problematic?

Corio(n)t(e/i)gos? Yes. I prefer coriotegos, but that's only a matter of taste.

14 minutes ago, jorellaf said:

Still, I would accept having tegos for Briton and sedlo(n/s) for the gauls, though I still think 'seat of the warriors' is a bit too abstract for 'barracks'

Anyway a true barrack doesn't exist during this period. Even for the "Polybian" legions, I don't think there is a single evidence for a permanent barrack as those we see during the Roman Empire.

Especially for the Celts, what men could have been in a hypothetical barrack? Barracks don't fit the Celtic societies in my opinion.

19 minutes ago, jorellaf said:

Would you prefer the Sedlo(n/s)corion version, or Corio(n)sedlo(n/s)?

Mmm personally I like coriosedlon but what is your opinion?

20 minutes ago, jorellaf said:

I can maybe see a B myself.

The same.

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33 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

Corio(n)t(e/i)gos? Yes. I prefer coriotegos, but that's only a matter of taste.

Would you be ok with using it for both factions, or would you prefer the splitting agreed before?

33 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

Anyway a true barrack doesn't exist during this period. Even for the "Polybian" legions, I don't think there is a single evidence for a permanent barrack as those we see during the Roman Empire.

Especially for the Celts, what men could have been in a hypothetical barrack? Barracks don't fit the Celtic societies in my opinion.

Yeah that's the key issue. Finding some plausible terms for 'mustering ground' would be easy, but then the building doesn't reflect that at this point.

33 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

Mmm personally I like coriosedlon but what is your opinion?

My small experience in Welsh prefers the genitive at the end. :laugh: I think that part of syntax might have been inflexible (Jones seems to suggest so), which would mean Sedloncorion could be the only correct option (this means I'm being rude by just leaving any other option open :oops:), unless you want to do something like 'warrior-seat'.

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3 minutes ago, jorellaf said:

Would you be ok with using it for both factions, or would you prefer the splitting agreed before?

I am not against but I think the next goal for the Celtic factions is to become more distinct, so it would be nice to have different names.

Currently (A23) the Celtic factions are quite problematic, notably with two-handed swordsmen and round shields everywhere. I successfully pleaded my case against those, and they won't be in the upcoming release (A24). @wackyserious @Alexandermb and @Stan` made new models for the units and the buildings, some will appear in the upcoming release. But the rework/overhaul of both factions is essentially halfway. In A24 it will still be two very similar factions.

12 minutes ago, jorellaf said:

My small experience in Welsh prefers the genitive at the end. :laugh: I think that part of syntax might have been inflexible (Jones seems to suggest so), which would mean Sedloncorion could be the only correct option (this means I'm being rude by just leaving that option open), unless you want to do something like 'warrior-seat'.

It could be also two words. No issue with sedloncorion although.

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10 hours ago, Genava55 said:

I am not against but I think the next goal for the Celtic factions is to become more distinct, so it would be nice to have different names.

Will keep that in mind, but will nevertheless try to avoid making too many arbitrary distinctions for building names alone. I will try to put multiple options in though.

10 hours ago, Genava55 said:

It could be also two words. No issue with sedloncorion although.

Those two words would still need to follow the Celtic apposition. So noun.nom noun.gen, unless you want to do an adjectivised noun, in which case it would normally also be noun.nom noun.adj.

I mean I still feel like the current Barrack concept (building and everything) could be changed to a 'mustering field' of sorts instead, since that's probably more historically relevant across all factions (e.g. the Capitoline hill assembly in Polybius, or the subsequent allied and Roman muster by the Consuls and Mil. Tribunes). That's asking a lot though.

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23 hours ago, jorellaf said:

I mean I still feel like the current Barrack concept (building and everything) could be changed to a 'mustering field' of sorts instead, since that's probably more historically relevant across all factions (e.g. the Capitoline hill assembly in Polybius, or the subsequent allied and Roman muster by the Consuls and Mil. Tribunes). That's asking a lot though.

I agree with you, but I doubt it will find any support from the others. The visual role of the barracks is quite appreciated and 0AD is still rooted in its first inspiration from AoE series.

23 hours ago, jorellaf said:

Those two words would still need to follow the Celtic apposition. So noun.nom noun.gen, unless you want to do an adjectivised noun, in which case it would normally also be noun.nom noun.adj.

You should open a thread specifically about the Celtic language in use in the game, it would be nice to have someone more competent than me on the topic and to have a list of names we could work around with. In Europa Barbarorum we have someone competent, but he has already a lot of work and the culture of Europa Barbarorum is secretive, this is discussed on internal forums, which is something I don't appreciate (although I understand why they prefer it this way).

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4 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

You should open a thread specifically about the Celtic language in use in the game, it would be nice to have someone more competent than me on the topic and to have a list of names we could work around with.

Ok, will do. I wasn't sure where. I made one for Doric Greek here in this subforum, I guess one for the Celtic lang would be ok too.

5 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

I agree with you, but I doubt it will find any support from the others. The visual role of the barracks is quite appreciated and 0AD is still rooted in its first inspiration from AoE series.

No disagreement here.

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On 11/03/2021 at 4:48 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

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A very good video. I rarely seen someone resuming the topic that well. He is maybe a bit harsh about the Britons but that was mostly correct. 

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If I can criticize some parts of the video, it would be:

- The name of the tribe Pictones/Pictaves should not be viewed as "the painted-ones" this is a very old analysis and it is not really reliable today. The root pict- should come from the PIE *peik and it is related to: colorful, spotted, paint, decoration, dappled, variegated, stitched, evil. So it is an excessive jump to conclusion to say the Pictones/Pictaves would have been bodypainted only from this.

- The coin he displayed is actually 1st century BC evidence, so it contradicts his own argument. But indeed we have no testimonies of body painting or tattoos from classical authors so if it is in use, this is a minor practice among the Gauls and this is not very visible since foreigners missed it.

- The La Tène culture didn't spread by replacing the people during the 5th century. We are actually CERTAIN that the population before the La Tène culture spoke a Celtic language closely related to Gaulish. Notably because of Lepontic inscriptions that are dated to the 6th or 7th century BC. Archaeologically we don't see a violent expansion, we see a cultural and material quick evolution.

- The British Iron Age is not really "La Tène". It has adopted several La Tène features very quickly but it is quite a unique culture. In comparison, the continental La Tène culture reaches a much more homogeneous state since the 3rd century BC.

- Finally I think metatron is doing a Polybian analysis by saying the Britons didn't adapt their warfare because of the absence of conflict with the Greek and Roman world. This is a bit too simple, like most of Polybius' self-interpretations. Social evolution has probably a huge role in this, because in a warfare-culture, warriors and aristocrats are strongly rooted in the structures of the society and from the interaction with their kin. Chariot warfare is probably related to smaller chiefdoms but more numerous while the continent La Tène reached earlier a "proto-state" with more centralized power and wider warrior-class / warrior retinues. Furthermore, the Britons did evolve and started to adopt more and more cavalry, but it is a trend starting at the very end of their independant period. The Britons didn't have conflict with the Romans first but they did with the Belgae (see the Suessiones' Diviciacus). Personally, I see similarities between Britons tactics and the guerilla warfare applied by Ambiorix.

Otherwise, it was a great video.

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