Jump to content

Suggestions for 0 A.D.


Wijitmaker
 Share

Recommended Posts

Ok, just another silly user asking for new features, but... here we go! ;)

What do you think about turn water as the fifth natural resource necessary for the development of the civilization? I know that it may add some coding difficult, but well, water is BASIC for life and may add not just more realism to the game, but if well implemented, may turn the civilization's development more challenging.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is a simple hotkey, yeah, but maybe should still have as minimap button.

Also, all buttons should show the shortcut key in a tooltip I think.

i agree. customizeable hotkeys are a must, in my opinion. it'll help macromanagement immensely if you can just press Tab, for example, and find an idle worker

as to water, i disagree. if there were ever any other resource to be added, it should just be a generalized one for whole new features along the lines of Favor in AOM. though it WOULD be an interesting feature to make some other basic buildings only buildable within reach of water, which could also have Wells as a new basic feature granting the same bonuses as water. maybe farms can only be built within a certain distance of water, for example

Link to comment
Share on other sites

i agree. customizeable hotkeys are a must, in my opinion. it'll help macromanagement immensely if you can just press Tab, for example, and find an idle worker

Just out of curiosity, what is it about the Tab key that makes it more suitable for finding idle workers than the period key? The only real reason why we've chosen the latter is that it's the common one from the AoE games, at least if I recall correctly.

While we still have to implement a GUI for changing hotkeys, you can change hotkeys in the settings files, see: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/Manual_Settings#KeyboardShortcuts

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just out of curiosity, what is it about the Tab key that makes it more suitable for finding idle workers than the period key? The only real reason why we've chosen the latter is that it's the common one from the AoE games, at least if I recall correctly.

While we still have to implement a GUI for changing hotkeys, you can change hotkeys in the settings files, see: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/Manual_Settings#KeyboardShortcuts

i actually wasn't aware hotkeys had been added and didn't know that the period key was used to find idle workers :P i used Tab in example since that's what i was familiar with via Empire Earth and i think Age of Mythology as well--just makin' a point ;)

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Played 20-30 games and the game is amazing, even Amazing with uppercase A. It has so much to offer even in alpha stage, more than games for 60$. There are few suggestions I think would be good:
1) editing some graphics options, quality of textures
2) hotkeys for choosing all military units, or all working military units, something like ctrl+z in cossacks
3) alert system for all working military units going to fight enemy
By the way, are civilization traits working? It seems Egyptians dont have farming things like in traits description.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

By the way, are civilization traits working? It seems Egyptians dont have farming things like in traits description.

Only some of them. For example, Egyptians don't have the farming techs but have a lot of free buildings

The team it's more focused on developping code than balance and design. Probably when the game reach Beta design will change significantly.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Another one:
1) conquer of territories - when my territory and enemy territory encounter they shouldnt capture buildings on it, just keep frontline and move only if I send units to capture enemy buildings, I mean I built tower and started to build walls then suddenly this territory became an island because enemy got his town center with ridiculous half-map capture and tower is his now, or it is special mechanics I dont know.

2) nerf siege weaponry, variants: lower attack and movement speed; limit; siege weapons can only be attached to formations of infantry, of course after formations will be implemented. 7 battering rams I captured just destroyed all enemy hard roman base easily, few hits on buildings with pretty big movement speed ruins balance.

3) does bot use resource system or it has unlimited supplies? Also kinda weird when trying to attack, it was medium macedonian, he suddenly got infinite amount of infantry attacking my group from everywhere, they just came and came until my 50-70 men were destroyed.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2) I don't think siege are OP in this alpha. It is so easy to capture. if you were able to capture 7 rams without any resistance, it is normal that you destroy your enemy base, not OP.

3) At what timing did you have 50/70 men? Against AI, try to follow the following rule: 100 pop at 8min, 130 pop at 10min, 200 pop at 15min then do champions. Trust me you won't lose again vs medium AI with this population.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

post-20008-0-55067500-1451884977.jpg

Ability system is a planned feature right? I hope it will be added to the current workload and be included in the next alpha release. It can buff the current gameplay, specially at this period, where some of the long time players have started to become less contented with the game. During the past months, most of the topics that were discussed here was about, how to tweak the current gameplay, whether economically or gameplay combat mechanics..

I'm thinking of something similar to the ability system of Battle Realms and Warcraft (as what was also suggested in trac), units from both games became special because of the associated ability on them. Aside from counters, units can also be useful because of their ability.

Some examples,

-Auto-cast upon enemy detection or manual shield/defend ability (this is where the armor bonus becomes active) Battle ready animation should still be different from defend animation. (i.e. battle ready anim. is more like a taunting anim.)

-Temporary invulnerability (for for frenzied fighters like naked warriors and berserkers)

-Critical strike and stun bonus with downed or stunned animation (Makes combat even better, charge attacks may cause an enemy unit to fall down or become disoriented, also works well with animals like wolves or dogs

-More unit conditions like, disease infected or burning or affected with cowardice (Just like in Warcraft where, an UI indicator displays a certain spell or condition which affects the unit)

-Throwing weapons with a certain cool down period

-Active ability battle cry (Can stack with passive attack/defense bonus)

post-20008-0-55067500-1451884977_thumb.j

Edited by wackyserious
  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

How about hiding the faction of an opponent in the diplomacy menu until you discover the opponent. Rise of Nations did this, and it made putting computer on random fun, and scouting actually usefull, because you have to know who your opponent is before creating a suitable build.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

[EDIT: now I saw http://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10848]

Hey there! Alpha 19 is the first alpha which is playable on my Notebook, that's wonderful!

Here is my suggestion: call me a wimp but I hate it to kill all the enemy's females especially in the last minutes of the game. For me, it doesn't feel right to search the whole map for the last two women and kill them or to kill all the females working at a field during an invasion. I'd much more like to conquer women :P You could implement it the same way as capturing a siege weapon. I think it's quite fair since a female has no chance to kill a soldier anyway and it's also quite realistic (you may think of the The Rape of the Sabine Women). Maybe the default action should be to kill, because if you are playing against several enemies, you might end up with lots of women who fill up your population limit and you had to kill them yourself (which is even more disgusting). Another possibility would be not to count captured units to the _total_ population limit - you have to build houses, though.

-----------------

Thinking further, capturing could be possible for all units, not just females. As I totally hated the priests in AOE, I'm not sure if this idea is a good one, but think of the following:

If a few (say, less than 5) units are clearly outnumbered, they defect to the enemy. With this (realistic) default action, you could implement a lot of extra features, for example:

- develop "oath of allegiance" (rather costly): units fight to death

- develop "find_a_good_name" (cheaper): units flee instead of defecting. You can develop one of both options only.

- units fighting side by side with a hero fight until they fall

- units in a formation resist a longer time

- civilisations can be made more unique (may also be used to balance them): one civilisation simply resist longer, another cannot develop the oath of allegiance, ...

- or even: having more females in the city make their husbands resist longer. They could even fight a little harder to protect their family, which would encourage the player to create more females.

The advantages of this proposal are increased realism, less stupid slaughtering in the end phase and the possibility of profiting of special units of the enemy. As opposed to the AOE priest approach, you cannot "steal" arbitrary units standing behind city walls, for example. Instead, only in a few situations during a game it will be possible to capture units, either if the enemy is incautious enough to have lonesome units or at a point when an enemy is already virtually defeated. Having the player to think twice before he starts a suicide mission is -in my eyes- a good thing, too. It enforces a somewhat more strategic warfare. If someone hates the feature, he may develop the oath of allegiance.

What do you think?

Edited by Heron
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Morale points for each unit, so that you won't have to kill outnumbered units. (A "switch default to" capture or attack button would be nice to have together with this suggested feature)

Ex. I will put my cavalry units to capture mode, so that they can capture outnumbered/routed infantry while my infantry units handle the fighting

Support unit = Very low morale points

Basic rank = Low morale points

Advanced rank = Moderate morale points

Elite rank = High morale points

Champion = Very high morale points

1.) Captured units will only retain its armor/texture and will lose props like weapons, helmets, etc.

2.) Captured citizen_soldiers will lose its capability to attack and will be converted to a support unit (More like slave-worker prisoners)

3.) All captured units will have very low morale, so that capturing them back would be easy (upon recapture, they will return to their original state, with props returned together with the capability to attack)

4.) Captured units will not cost you population points, you can collect prisoners and use them to boost your economy, but "They will be terrible at everything", from building to resource gathering, etc.

Edited by wackyserious
Link to comment
Share on other sites

@av93 I'm not familiar with the terminology, but I interpret "micro" as "I have to think about lots of very minor steps", is that right? But how does this apply to my suggestion? Maybe I just don't see the full picture, but if implemented as above you aren't forced to do anything special. Maybe you shouldn't send single units into the enemy's territory, but you don't want to that anyway. If only cavalry can capture, capturing will be a quite rare event, especially if the enemy still has some defence towers which would most likely kill your units before they could be captured. Concerning formations/heros/females: these would require micro actions (as I interpret it), but they already do so.

@wackyserious I see two issues. First, the gap between Champions and basic rank units grows even wider. (Also, I don't think it's fair to say a farmer had a lower moral than a champion soldier.) Second, binding the state of a unit to the current owner requires some extra storage/logic. However, this might be not too problematic.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

In simple terms, micro is all the small things you will do.
Like moving your units, attacking specific units, Moving your farmers so they are closer to a specific building to increase food output, etc. So yes, the small things in life.
Adversely Macro is basically grand strategy, technology, buildings etc.

Anyway.

If we're going to have a morale system, i would like it to be a very subtle thing.
It should be modeled by group situation, not individual situation. So if they are mortally wounded, they won't care, but if all their friends die?

Example: you have 100 units in formation, only, say, 20 will actually live long enough to surrender, if they are freshly trained. 15 veterans, 10 elites, and 5 champions.
Math that out how you will, but i think that would be best.

But it would naturally be more complicated, Elephants were used to maximum effect as a scaring tool, not a fighting tool. Most men are willing to fight a fair fight, but be crushed underfoot by a big beast? Not cool.

Edited by auron2401
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

wackyseriousness: I can see morale onlty to work with a battalion style game, because: 1.) Battalions reduce number of entity needed for management, and 2.) See number 1.

With individual soldier as entities, we have 300 unit to manage now. With battalion (I'm strong in support of battaluon, this is well-known), this reduce down to maybe 20 or 25. Now you can add thing like morale and directional attack and cool stuff like this. The imagination run wild, but must be temper with a clear vision. Maybe you agree.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Stan` featured this topic

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

×
×
  • Create New...