Belisarivs Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 (edited) 1st periodIn this period, will Byzantine empire have army trained in Roman fashion (Maurices reforms are yet to come) and units will have Latin names.Sagitarius - ArcherlinkFoederatus - Barbarian CavalrylinkExcubitorus - Elite heavy infantry, revival of Praetorian GuardNo. 2Cataphractus - Medium CavalryNo. 1Clibanarius - Heavy Cavalry. Also Horse is covered by lamelar armourlinkScutatus - Spearman with shieldlinkHunnish Mercenary (translation needed) - Elite Horse Archerlink2nd periodArmy changes from Roman to Byzantine.Sagitarius -> PsilosNo. 4Foederatus -> LatinikonNo. 2, 3Excubitorus -> ExkoubitosNo. 2Cataphractos -> KataphraktosNo. 1, 2, 3Clibanarius -> KlibanophoroslinkScutatus - SkutatosNo. 1 No. 1, 2, 4Hunnish Mercenary -> Skythikon MisthophoroslinkArkitos - light cavalryNo. 23rd periodArmy stays much the same. Heaviest unit disappears.Latinikon is improvedKlibanophoros disappearsVarangos - Varangian guardNo. 1, 2, 3Tourkopolos - Christianised or mercenary Turks, horse archer.No. 2 No. 3Arkitos -> TrapezitosNo. 14th periodArmy stays much the same.Mercenary arquebusier (translation is needed)No. 3Vardariot - Medium cavalry armed with bow and sword. Only rider is covered by lamellar armourNo. 1Trapezitos -> Massagetos - Cuman Mercenary, light cavalryNo. 2Skutatos -> Byzantine infantry (perhaps "Stratiotus" is appropriate word)No. 1, 2, 3Proniar - Heavy CavalryNo. 1 No. 2Psilos -> Heavy Psilos - looks weird, greek aquivalent to "heavy" requiredNo. 3Byzantine lancers - Medium cavalry, translation neededNo. 1Balkan mercenary (translation needed) - I decided, to put those light foot mercs from balkan to this one.No. 2Abadu, I've lost link to those scans. Cold you give it to me once more, please? I couldn't find many pictures. I may add them later. Comment army composition, post in ideas ... Edited May 19, 2007 by Belisarivs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 (edited) Sorry for being away,I was travelling.Happy Easter!(Sorry for being late)Unfortunally the link doesnt work anymore(The topic was closed,I think),but I have This link with some osprey pics.Im getting some osprey picturesAnd the unit list is good,I just think that there are few units in latter periods.Is this "historical"?Also,Is the hunnish mercenary in the second period correct? Edited April 9, 2007 by Abadu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted April 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Nope. Units are still almost same.I mean, I was lazy to type them again. So, units from previous periods remain in latter if not said otherwise.-> means upgrade or rename. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 You could add albanian mercenary in fourth level,what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted April 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Good idea. I forgot Pronoiai Allagion.How it is in singular? Proniar?Well, i 4th period there could be many mercenaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 I will send you through e-mail some things wich might help you with the byzantines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted April 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 (edited) Well, I have Osprey books about Byzantine Empire. And I think, that I have quite a knowledge about Byzantine Empire.Maurices reforms were so good, that it allowed Byzantine Empire to survive without many modifications. That is why their army doesn't change so much. Edited April 11, 2007 by Belisarivs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Oh,I understand,but if you cant find pictures,you can ask me that i will help youCould you explain what were the Maurices reforms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted April 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Emperror Maurice reformed Byzantine army. He is considered to be writer of Strategikon.He, for example, used unequal numbers of troops in each group, so enemy couldn't easily calculate size of army by calculating banners.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_%28emperor%29http://navsci.berkeley.edu/ma20/PPT/14%20F...20Byzantine.ppthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategikon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycan Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 nice links, especially the powerpoint But I think there were a few spelling mistakes (ie ragained) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 What about add grek fire trowers and/or greek archers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted April 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 (edited) nice links, especially the powerpoint But I think there were a few spelling mistakes (ie ragained)That is just detail. It wasn't my work, so I can't do anything with it.I'm seeking someone who can speak Greek, so he can correct any error or finish translation. Edited April 14, 2007 by Belisarivs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted April 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 What about add grek fire trowers and/or greek archers?Greek archers are just Psiloi.I thought about such machines, but I don't know extent of use and if it wouldn't be too powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Pehraps the better would be having a fire ship,but I have an osprey book(About early ottoman armies) were there is a picture of a byzantine soldier with a kind of blowpipe(Called tufenk),and it's said,in the book,that the weapon was used to throw greek fireHere is the picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted April 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 I've found these articles.http://encycl.opentopia.com/B/BY/BYZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 You could add Stratiotai as late heavy cavalry,what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 (edited) Proniar fills role of heavy cavalry.Stratiotai was common name for all soldiers.But some medium cavalry lancer won't hurt. I'll think about it. Edited May 5, 2007 by Belisarivs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Here are some pictures for you:LinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted May 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Thank you very much.These are your scans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Yes,but I will see if I can find more.I hope you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abadu Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 (edited) Here are some few others:LinkLinkLinkLinkLinkLink Edited May 27, 2007 by Abadu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apomonomenos Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Really, the Byzantines were Greeks who took on the role of the Roman Empire, which was a little before Rome fell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 The Byzantines where as you said just Greeks who took the Mantle of "Eastern Romans" or "New Romans" a little before Rome fell.Realistically the Byzantines were a culture very different from Romes.The Religion: Different, The Military: Different (in a lot of ways), Language: Different and Legacy: Very Different.All in all the Byzantines are so very different. They even called themselves: "Basileia ton Rhomiaon" (or something like that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apomonomenos Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 Realistically the Byzantines were a culture very different from Romes.The Religion: Different, The Military: Different (in a lot of ways), Language: Different and Legacy: Very Different.All in all the Byzantines are so very different. They even called themselves: "Basileia ton Rhomiaon" (or something like that)I never said those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 No you said that the Byzantines where basically Greek Romans. They where not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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