Ultimate Aurelian
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2 hours ago, Carltonus said:
A few suggestions:
- Any thoughts for mercenary/champion swordsmen if you choose the other two?
They already have Romphaia mercenary.
They could also have Galatian Swordsman and/or the non-Romanized Thorakites (Already used by macedonians).
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4 hours ago, Genava55 said:
In regards to the relationship between ancient Indians and Greeks, probably an oxybeles and a lithobolos:
Technical Devices in Ancient Alexandria and their Equivalents in the Indian Cultural Area
There is already a maceman. I was thinking about an engine, maybe with a torsion.
But probably that a battering ram is much easier to include.
The ''mace chariot'' seems like a wheeled ram.
Although it may also be fictional since it says it had no driver.
I read that the Chinese used unmanned crossbow chariots once but i could not find a reliable source.
Edit:I think it's made up, i looked for and could only find a clickbaity article.
http://eskify.com/10-unbelievable-ancient-weapons/
It cites a ''rebellion against Yang Shuan in 180 a.d'' but i can't find any other source on this event.
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What devices could be suitable candidates?
- The pào or chinese mangonel?
- The oxybeles?
- The lithobolos?
- The onager?
- A kind of bow catapult? (not sure it really existed however)
Bow catapult is sketchy, and Mangonels are probably not accurate for Mauryans (I read that the first to spread them outside of China were Avars around the 6th century A.D).
I think the Asphatima was not a Onager since it was mobile, maybe it was a type of small Ballista that shot stones or arrows?
Jāmadagnya was stationary could be a bigger ballista used on walls, or some type of Springal?
2 hours ago, Genava55 said:Finally about the battering ram, does a hammer device is an interesting idea?
I am not sure how it worked, a kind of battering ram? a mallet used by sappers?
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5 hours ago, Genava55 said:
ButI am against the idea to balance the civs only with their similar counterparts. If the Iberians, the Britons and the Gauls are only balanced in regard to each other, then it will probably result to unbalance when players of those civs will face other civs from other groups. Because let's face it, it would be the case regularly.
And it is not like those civs only fought each other.
Gauls fought with Romans and Greeks, it would be unauthentic to balance them with only Britons and Iberians mind.
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1 hour ago, Carltonus said:
I don't recall in the history of classical Athens hiring mercenaries from the other end of the Mediterranean, but nice try.
During the Peloponesian war Iberian mercenaries were recruited from Sicily by Alcibiades.
I think it would be interesting to have them in game, but Thracians were indeed more common.
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My take on that:
2 hours ago, Carltonus said:Barracks
- Athenian Hoplite - citizen hoplite
- Psiloi - citizen slinger
- Thracian Peltast - Thracian mercenary javelineer
- + Iberian Mercenary swordsman
Gymnasium
- Epilektos - champion hoplite
- + Iphicratean Akontistes/Light Peltast - champion javelineer (replaces already-existing Theurophoros)
- Scythian Archer - champion archer
Spartans
Barracks
- Perioikoi Hoplite - citizen hoplite
- Helot Skirmisher - "citizen" javelineer (akontistes)
- +(Helot Slinger ?)
- Skiritai Commando - elite citizen swordsman or fast hoplite
- + Skiritai Peltast - elite citizen javelineer (replaces already-exisiting Theurophoros)
Syssition
- Spartiatis - champion hoplite
Rams will get nerfed so swordsman will be less essential.
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16 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Aristides added for Athenians.
What should his bonuses be?
Some ideas:
Fairness (Aura that boost villagers)
Recalling the exiles (Citizen soldiers train faster)
Maybe a bonus that makes your units immune to bribes (Because he stopped a conspiracy in the army)
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17 hours ago, Lopess said:
Thank you, if you have any ideas or references to follow when conducting the siege workshop, please send it to me it helps and motivates me.
On Zapotec siege, i think it would be more accurate to lose their wheeled ram (They did not use wheels).
Instead have a group of guys holding a log like Xiongnu ram.
So siege workshop could be a relatively simple structure with some tree trunks lying around.
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41 minutes ago, Lopess said:
Personally I do not see problems in civs very different from the others, I am not a competitive player. I would love to see civs with an emphasis on cavalry, economy, population, defenses or just infantry. Anyway, this just my idea.
I agree.
I think it would be better to balance them around other civs from the americas.
Rather than to Rome or Persia.
28 minutes ago, Lopess said:I now understand! There are two very interesting structures in Monte Alban, Building J (observatory / record of military conquests) and that of the dancers (a building clearly aimed at military victories).
Both are related to celebrating military victories so you could make the unique building train heroes.
If yo use the observatory one you could also give it a big LOS, and maybe a unique tech.
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20 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Edit: We need Battle for Middle Earth 2 battalions.
Does not Hyrule Conquest have a similar feature ?
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4 hours ago, Trinketos said:
Comparison
Inca one is the smallest, maybe give it a well with some props like the greek one ?
For Pueblo wonder you could use Casa Grande:
Or maybe a section of Mesa Verde.
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28 minutes ago, Trinketos said:
Maybe make the CC a bit bigger ? i think it is smaller than the barracks.
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1 hour ago, Trinketos said:
Also how could the temple look. I did not find references
Maybe use a Kiva ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_Ruins
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12 minutes ago, Trinketos said:
Which culture are those buildings ?
Pueblo ?
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13 hours ago, Lopess said:
About 1,500 at the time of" discovery." The main linguistic changes were: Tupi, Macro-Je, Arauaque, Caribe, Tukano, Remembering that there were tribes covering more than one language and also the opposite. Quick reference for Google search and wiki in Portuguese.
https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Línguas_indígenas_do_Brasil
Interesting new discoveries, these probably related to Tupi speakers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/marsemfim.com.br/ilhas-artificiais-na-amazonia-sao-descobertas/amp/
I find it interesting that while mostly concentrated on the north; there are also Carib speakers in central Brazil:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuikuro.
Is the language of the Marajoara culture known ?
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Norse wonder could be Uppsala or a burial mound.
Also all Workshops and ranges use vanilla placeholders; Frankish stable and palace too.
Ummayads lack heroes.
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2 hours ago, Sundiata said:
Also, how come Ptolemies don't have Machimoi in their roster? Or do they just have another name?
Machimoi are pikemen i think.
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46 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
It's accurated, all depicts from this culture shows same style. If you search in previous pages i post more visual data.
Yes the clothing and most weaponry is similar to other artworks.
My only doubt is the small hand axes (One is made of stone, the other is a shortened polearm), maybe the axeman unit should use a two handed dagger axe.
1 hour ago, Carltonus said:My proposed unit roster has not yet been revised to reflect the changes though, will do so at a future time. There's still the Yamatai illustrations and raiding spearmen at the first page of thread.
It's fine to use multiple sources for reference, as long as they are from Yayoi period.
I think golden shield boss should be for champion.
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35 minutes ago, Trinketos said:
They seem to have rank tags (_a and _b), does this mean the Jaguar upgrades to Eagle ?
If so that's a interesting idea, more accurate than making them separate units with vastly different stats (Like in AOE).
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58 minutes ago, Carltonus said:
For the basic militia, they can wear a basic wooden breastplate like the one on the lower left. Advanced can wear mokusei katchū, while the elite can wear the ones decorated with red paint. The long-sleeved soldiers can be the champions.
My idea would be
Basic (unarmored, simple outfit with no leggins like archer in that picture) -> Advanced (Improved outfit with legging, may have leather or cloth armor) -> Elite (simple wood armor some have war paint)
Champions have painted wood armor or the black one with lacing; they have jewelry with some having warpaint and/or a feather headdress.
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21 minutes ago, Genava55 said:
It depends on the definition of "Gauls" and "Gallic". For the ancients, the use of the words Galátēs, Galli, Celtae or Keltoi is inconsistent. In addition, they are using the same word for different cultures, like Keltoi/Celtae. So personally I use Gallic to refers to the La Tène culture in general.
In game i think Gauls is used to refer to La Téne culture in the area the Romans called Gaul (Not necessarily the best definition)
My understandings is that La Téne culture spread eastwards from Gaul, but it is not clear if the invasion of Greece came straight from Gaul or if it came from Celtic tribes already living in Pannonia.
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Some suggestions for Celtic Heroes.
Gauls could have Ambiorix (Bonuses and appearance could be based on @Genava55's design here:https://www.docdroid.net/9fLYce0/gauls-design-pdf#page=25 ) and Dumnorix.
Another option could be Bolgios (Portraying the invasion of Greece without having two different heroes named Brennus), but i am not sure if he counts as Gallic.
For Britons the main one i can think of is Cassivelanus (Currently used in catafalque); for a possible fifth one Diviciacus (Ruled parts of britain and north gaul) or maybe even Tuathal (Since they have a irish wonder)
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4 hours ago, Wesley said:
Some of those weapons look like their either for taking a rider down or getting a guy up in those stilt houses.
Indeed there are finds of a ''pick'' weapon similar to the Chinese ge; this is what i had in mind for citizen axeman.
Alongside with the long two handed one; one of the artworks in this threads portray some kind of shortened version not sure if accurate:
I think there could be two japanese factions:
Yayoi (500 b.c to 300 a.d Wooden buildings, wooden armor, no cav only rams)
Yamato (250 to 710 a.d, Metal armor, cavalry, some stone buildings, possibly ranged siege weapons)
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1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Here's the current Spartan roster for y'all. Thoughts?
I was wondering if anyone has any ideas to replace them having a "mount." Part of the new hero system is that once City Phase is reached that the heroes are 'Upgradeable' to something even more powerful.
I'd say mounts are fine for most heroes.
If there is a particular hero who you want to remain on foot or a future civ with no cav; you could have a tech that upgrades his equipment (Giving him a fancier shield, helmet, armor) instead.
I am not sure if Brasidas should have only one greave (I think wearing a single greave was a Itallic custom).
Mauryan siege engine
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Posted · Edited by Ultimate Aurelian
Indeed it would be good to have two handed swordsman for India (Specially since Briton Longswordsman will be removed); should it replace the current champion maceman/swordsman?
Thread with general Mauryan sword references:
Some references of later two handed Indian swords:
Perhaps a bigger variant of the current Mauryan sword with a falx-like grip?