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  1. On 25/03/2023 at 3:05 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    New shaman hatimage.thumb.png.29c402673704ebc1f618b68e8c18b961.png

    I think it would fit well for the Xiognu.

    From what i read the Scythians were not really shamanistic, they had a polytheistic religion with some similarities to other indo-european ones.

     This could be a reference for Enaree (Beardless man on the right)

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  2. On 23/02/2023 at 5:18 AM, Genava55 said:

     The Cimbri had Boiorix for king, the Teutones and Ambrones had Teutobad. Two chieftains of the Cimbri are also mentionned Claodicus and Caesorix.

    So I think the only candidate are the Cimbri, just to have enough historical figures.

    Those sound like Celtic names.

    Do you think it's possible they spoke a Celtic language?

     

  3. On 23/02/2023 at 9:10 AM, Yekaterina said:

    Please start thinking about structure tree and unit tree of this civ

    On second thought, we can literally just rename the Suebians to Cimbrians

    Also the suebs are probs not too OP cuz it has no very special units like the Gaul trumpeters or fanatics

    They could have an archer instead of slinger, champion cavalry with sword instead of spear and perhaps a citizen swordsman instead of club/axe infantry.

    Not sure if they should keep wolf warriors.

    They would have more celtic influence and possibly a more armored roster (Elite infantry has metal and wood helmets, champions have chainmail and helmets).

    Buildings i think would be more or less the same, although if you want to give them a nomadic playstyle you might have to change it to tents?

  4. Possible specific names for units ; i used wiktionary and some names from total war mods

    Spearman:
    Harjaz (Warrior or commander)
    Warjaz (Defender, Citizen)
    Wīgamann (Warrior, Champion)

    Militia Clubman:
    Slahandz (Striker, Killer)
    Breutandz (Destroyer, breaker, Smasher)
    Warjaz (Defender, Citizen)

    Axeman:
    Slahandz (Striker, Killer)
    Mōdagaz (Brave, courageous)
    Akwisīwaldaz (Axe-Wielder)

    Javelinist:
    Jungilingaz (Youth)

    Slinger:
    Slingwandz (Slinger)

    Scout:
    Sōkijandz (Seeker)

    Cavalry javelinist:
    Welwô (Plunderer, robber)

    Cavalry Spearman
    Ridanz

    Champion Swordsman:
    Herunautaz (Sword owner)
    Gahlaibô (Messmate, comrade, companion)
    Sagjaz (Retainer, Warrior)
    Kuningasþegnaz (King's retainer, King's servant)
    Þegnaz (retainer, servant)
    Herthaganautaz (Hearth Companion)
    Haliþaz (Hero)
     
    Champion cavalry:
    Erlaz (Noble)
    Marhafrawjô (Horse Lord)

    Ram:
    Rammaz (Ram as in the animal; there is no evidence the word was associated with siege engines like in the classical world)
    Gatabreutandz (Gate smasher)


    Wolf Warrior:
    Wulfaharjaz (wolf Warrior)
    Wulfahadinaz (Attempted early form of Ulfheodnar)
    Blōþądrinkandz (Blood drinker, from Paul the Deacon's account of the Lombard "cynocephali"
    Wōdaharjaz (Frenzied warrior)

    Villager:
    Karilaz (Freeman)

    Slave:
    Þewaz

    Merchant:
    Wihslōndz (Trader)
    Kaupô (Inkeeper, Merchant; Borrowed from Latin)

    Priest:
    Gudjô
    Wīhōn
    Haljarūnō (Witch, sorceress; could be used in case they get a priestess instead of priest)


    Fishing boat:
    Fiskarijasbaitaz (Fisherman's boat)

    Trading boat:
    Rinaskaupô (Rine Merchant)

    Pig:
    Swīną

    Cow:
    Kūz

    Sheep:
    Skēpą

    Reconstructions of hero names:


    Ariovistus:
    Ariouistos (Celtic)
    Harjafristaz (Germanic; means army leader)

    Maroboodus:
    Marobodwos (Celtic, Great raven, great war god)
    Marabadwaz (Germanic, great battle)
    Marabodwaz (Germanic)

    Ballomar:
    Ballomaros (Celtic, great limb)
    Balþamerijaz*

    *The last one is a Proto-Germanic name who survived as the Galician ''Baldomar'', it is a fusion of balþaz (“bold”) and mērijaz (“great; famous”). I have not seen anyone else suggest this origin for Ballomar; it is just speculation on my part.

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  5. On 19/10/2022 at 4:21 AM, Genava55 said:

     y think it should be coherent with the description from Tacitus:

    It is only an issue due to a lack of guidelines to represent the gain in experience. The current approach is based on Mediterranean civs in vanilla 0AD which is inappropriate for "barbarians".

    For clothing maybe something like this:

    Basic:Wearing only pants, loincloth or naked. 

    Advanced:Barechested or naked with a cloak (From Roman art and Tacitus'descriptions it seems they often wore the cloak without the tunic)

    Elite:Cloak and tunic.

    Maybe the champions could have armor; but they have a chance of spawning without it.

    Other ways to distinguish them from citizen units would be to give them scabbards, some kind of jewelry (The neckchains described in Germania?) and fancier clothes.

    Possibly use this sort of ''flannel'' pattern.

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    Shields could be used as well:
     

    Basic:Oval or Rectangular shield with wooden boss

    Advanced:Oval, rectangular or hexagonal shield with wooden boss

    Elite: Oval, rectangular or hexagonal shield; metal reinforced spina or metal boss

    Champion: Rectangular or hexagonal shield; metal boss with some having reinforced rim

    For javelin units you'd have:

    Basic: Wicker Shield

    Advanced:Small oval or Rectangular shield with wooden boss

    Elite: Small oval or rectangular shield; metal reinforced spina or metal boss

    The patterns on the shield could vary according to rank too

    On 12/08/2019 at 3:10 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    All Suebian citizen soldiers -1 all armor (hack, pierce, crush), -10 cost (wood or metal), +10% speed.

    I think this is would be a good idea for a bonus; maybe could call it ''Furor Teutonicus''.

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  6. References for weapons and armor: https://pinterest.com/siresasa/ancient-scythian-weapons-only-historically-accurat/ https://pinterest.com/siresasa/ancient-scythian-armour-only-historically-accurate/

    Various artifacts (Iconography might be useful):https://fi.pinterest.com/siresasa/scythian-antiquities/

    On 04/10/2022 at 5:36 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    Interesting idea for a Steppe Shrine:

     

     

    It would indeed be a good option for temple or even statue.

    From what i can find the Ovoo is a Tengrist costume and was not really used by Scythians.

    For the Huns there is only fragmentary evidence about their religion, both could potentially fit.

    Seventh century accounts says the Huns on the Caucasus worshipped "T'angri Khan" .

    Atilla supposedly owned the ''sword of Mars''; so possibly the Huns absorbed the Scythian/Sarmatian sword cult.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_of_Attila

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  7. Possible specific names for wonder (Words are taken from wiktionary and EB):

    Samnungozbarwaz (Semnones' grove), Feturasbarwaz (Grove of fetters), Wigasalhs/Gunþīzalhs/Hildīzalhs/Haþauzalhs (Battle-Sanctuary, there are multiple words for battle)

    On 14/12/2021 at 2:49 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

    Fort Cart(?)

    According to Caesar they were used by Germans in the Gallic wars:

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    "Then at last of necessity the Germans drew their forces out of camp, and disposed them canton by canton, at equal distances, the Harudes, Marcomanni, Tribocci, Vangiones, Nemetes, Sedusii, Suevi; and surrounded their whole army with their chariots and wagons, that no hope might be left in flight. On these they placed their women, who, with disheveled hair and in tears, entreated the soldiers, as they went forward to battle, not to deliver them into slavery to the Romans.

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    "Having marshalled his army in three lines, and in a short time performed a march of eight miles, he arrived at the camp of the enemy before the Germans could perceive what was going on; who being suddenly alarmed by all the circumstances, both by the speediness of our arrival and the absence of their own officers, as time was afforded neither for concerting measures nor for seizing their arms, are perplexed as to whether it would be better to lead out their forces against the enemy, or to defend their camp, or seek their safety by flight. Their consternation being made apparent by their noise and tumult, our soldiers, excited by the treachery of the preceding day, rushed into the camp: such of them as could readily get their arms, for a short time withstood our men, and gave battle among their carts and baggage wagons; but the rest of the people, [consisting] of boys and women (for they had left their country and crossed the Rhine with all their families) began to fly in all directions; in pursuit of whom Caesar sent the cavalry."

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  8. Considering the importance of bodies of water for their religion; they could have a sort of  religious building that is built on shallows.

    Maybe a function where you sacrifice units, metal or coin for glory.

    Or just make it a bonus/tech (Something like you can gather glory at docks or docks can heal)

     

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  9. On 10/11/2022 at 5:25 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

    we are using copyrighted third party material.

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    This symbol belongs to other developers.

    It is not the first time that I see material from Creative Assembly in our mods or in 0 A.D.

    It also appears in EB. 

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    It is based on a migration period Scandinavian pendant, so maybe not the best choice  

    https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/473485 
    On another thread Genava posted some ideas for a sun wheel symbol

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  10. 1 hour ago, Genava55 said:

    By the way, maybe the use of metallic scales is not proven but this armor could be used for a hero like Brennus or Viridomarus. This is plausible that a Celt in Italy could have such.

    Not really evidence but i read the Mars of Todi  was dedicated by someone with a Celtic name (Ahal Trutitis); although not sure if it's supposed to be scale (It is also interpeted as lamellar or even cloth armor)

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    Plutarch's description for Viridomarus' armor seems to be some sort of composite armor indeed. 

    Possibly a variation of Celtic organic armors, but with a metal element covered in silver and gold (Either Scales or a Itallic Cardiophylax). 

    Maybe even a decorated chainmail; but the description of colours and broideries fits more with cloth i think.

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  11. It seems they currently don't have a catafalque hero

    There is not really an more archaic Suebian figure (No historical record before the Gallic Wars)

    Maybe could use mythical heroes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuisto

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannus

    Or just a minor hero who is not currently featured.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganna_(seeress)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masyas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariogaesus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vannius

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catualda

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibilius

    Potentially one of these could replace Arminius as the fourth hero since he was not Suebian.

  12.  

    https://www.world-archaeology.com/features/garamantes-libya/

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    Excavating here in the 1960s, Daniels found a group of Garamantian buildings at the core of the site, and these, unlike their mudbrick Arab successors, had been built of quality ashlar stonework. At least two buildings were monumental. One, a temple, approached via a broad set of steps and a columned porch, may have been dedicated to the Libyan desert god Ammon – best known from the famous oracle site in the Siwa Oasis, where Alexander the Great, visiting between campaigns, became convinced he was the son of Zeus

    Maybe this could serve as reference for temple since they currently lack one.

    Although i could not find any reconstructions of it and it is possibly a bit late (Article says Garamantes used stonework in the Period between 1 and 400 AD)

    Petroglyphs of warriors from the same article

     

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    Garamantian cavalry. A rock carving from Zinkekra in the Wadi Ajal showing an armed horseman – he appears to carry a weapon in his right hand and a shield in his left – standing beside his mount. This ‘horse’ or ‘caballine’ style is thought to date to the 1st millennium BC. Light cavalry who operated as raiders, guerrillas and skirmishers were probably central to Garamantian warfare.

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    Garamantian infantry. This rock carving, also from Zinkekra in the Wadi Ajal, depicts a foot soldier. He appears to wear a short tunic and a plumed helmet or headdress. He is armed with a round shield and javelins, one of which he is throwing, while he holds the other in his left hand.

     https://i0.wp.com/www.world-archaeology.com/wp-content/uploads/2005/01/Warrior1a.jpg

    Possibly it could be two plumes worn in the Lybian style?

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  13. Article about naval warfare in the Dacian wars

    https://www.academia.edu/67117919/Strategy_and_naval_warfare_in_the_Danube_area_during_Trajans_Dacian_Wars

     

    Priscus described river boats being used in Hun territory:

    https://people.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/texts/prisfr8.html

     

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    At the river we were received by barbarian ferrymen, who rowed us across the river in boats made by themselves out of single trees hewn and hollowed. These preparations had not been made for our sake, but to convey across a company of Huns; for Attila pretended that he wished to hunt in Roman territory, but his intent was really hostile, because all the deserters had not been given up to him. Having crossed the Danube, and proceeded with the barbarians about seventy stadia, we were compelled to wait in a certain plain, that Edecon and his party might go on in front and inform Attila of our arrival.

     

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    We proceeded along a level road in a plain and met with navigable rivers--of which the greatest, next to the Danube, are the Drecon, Tigas, and Tiphesas--which we crossed in the Monoxyles, boats made of one piece, used by the dwellers on the banks: the smaller rivers we traversed on rafts which the barbarians carry about with them on carts, for the purpose of crossing morasses. In the villages we were supplied with food--millet instead of corn, and mead, as the natives call it, instead of wine.

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  14. With Lusitanians becoming their own civ;  in the future the Iberian civ could be redone to focus exclusively on Iberians (Rather than the mashup of different cultures it is nows).

    Maybe even add Celtiberians and Tartessos/Turdetani as separate civs too.

    For Germans i think it might be better to have just the Suebians at first since they are the ones currently being developed (Maybe other subcultures like Cimbri, Lugii or Rhine peoples could be considered later); instead of an umbrella of all germanic peoples.

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  15. 8 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

    Celtic linotorax armor.

    or at least one variation.

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    Yes, i was  curious about the bronze part in the middle since i have not seen it in other depictions of Celtic armor.

    I only know of Greek linothorax with scales.

    8 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

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    I guess this could be   interpreted as scale, although might also be  quilting or decorative patterns.

    https://www.academia.edu/6816233/SCALE_ARMOUR_IN_THE_MEDITERRANEAN_AREA_DURING_THE_EARLY_IRON_AGE_A_FROM_THE_IXTH_TO_THE_IIIRD_CENTURY_BC

  16. 8 hours ago, Duileoga said:

    -I do not have idea:sweatdrop: , I relied on the references:

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    Sorry for the inconveniences*

    The picture on the left is from Osprey's Rome's Enemies 5- The Desert Frontier

    This is what the caption says:

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    Garamante Saharan desert warrior, 1st century BC

    This figure is almost entirely based upon a comparison of written sources with later traditional costume. He has the litham face-covering worn by many Saharan tribesmen and the skin cloak is associated with most isolated tribes. His spear with distinctive holes in the blade, was made in the Sudan, and he is otherwise armed with a sling. The huge leather shield would later be known as lamt.

     

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