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Dakara
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Hello,

here we can talk about self vision of the siege !

1 FIRSTTTTTTTTTT  By default units attack instead of controlling (already done in a mod)

Some views

Units

Ballista : slightly increase maximum range and minimum range.

Catapult : increase minimum range, slower moving, reduce their ability to kill soldiers easily, slightly reduce their cost for compensate nerf

Tower Siege: Some civ have tech for+20 capacity, slower moving

For Persians with tech Tower Siege can attack building

Rams: Only attack structures, seats units and ships, damage +10%

Ship catapult: Too much snowball??? Expensive but op and very tanky, what are your ideas?

Ideas of news units ?

Men with torch : have decent attack on building and can burn tree, very little armor and bad at fight

Rider torch : Same as men with torch but more fast / have decent attack on building and can burn tree, very little armor and bad at fight  /// For only 2 civilizations

Why not divide into 2 units Men with mallet ( 2 population-units with 2 mens and a big log with metal- as mercenary Kushite but more damage on building) and big ram (4population-same of actually with more life and damage)

Building

Why not develop the idea of undermining tunnels?

In order to collapse a portion of wall, with a big construction time and a very good range (which requires a bit of exploitation from the defender). Then attacker can pass soldiers by little number (garrison system of 5 spot). Said in another way it like a teleporter over medium distance provided that both ends of tunnel remain alive.

Bridge or pontoon construction, with mens and ship

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One discussed point in another thread is making rams available to all civs, I'd think that even if there are no accounts of the full ram vehicle for other civs allowing at least a basic form of ramming (a big trunk with fortified head) would make sense and balance it a bit.

As for torching, raiding was often done with regular cavalry on small towns and sacking with regular troops, so I'd see that as something reasonable too, though the mechanic would have to be well thought out.

Undermining tunnels, I could not find accounts for other civs except for Romans.

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1 hour ago, Dakara said:

yes genava55, but as badosu points out, few civilizations did it militarily before the 1200s ... so we can't forget the idea, rome is already goooddd

Actually even the Gauls did it.

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Caesar, Gallic Wars, Book 2: There was a town of the Remi, by name Bibrax, eight miles distant from this camp. This the Belgae on their march began to attack with great vigor. The assault was with difficulty sustained for that day. The Gauls' mode of besieging is the same as that of the Belgae: when after having drawn a large number of men around the whole of the fortifications, stones have begun to be cast against the wall on all sides, and the wall has been stripped of its defenders, then, forming a testudo, they advance to the gates and undermine the wall: which was easily effected on this occasion; for while so large a number were casting stones and darts, no one was able to maintain his position upon the wall. When night had put an end to the assault, Iccius, who was then in command of the town, one of the Remi, a man of the highest rank and influence among his people, and one of those who had come to Caesar as embassador to sue for peace, sends messengers to him, to report "That, unless assistance were sent to him he could not hold out any longer."

 

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I think that in order to avoid catapults and ballistic spam, you have to put artillery friendly fire and battering only against structures will be much more useful

the tunnels, I think remember that Rome puts under the important structures a tunnel and put straw oils and pigs, to burn the foundations

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1 hour ago, Genava55 said:

then, forming a testudo, they advance to the gates and undermine the wall

I'd imagine since they had to go under fire to reach the wall that undermining (in that occasion) is not actually digging a tunnel to the wall but instead trying to undermine the wall at the location? (not a bad idea either)

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Another account

[7.22] To the extraordinary valor of our soldiers, devices of every sort were opposed by the Gauls; since they are a nation of consummate ingenuity, and most skillful in imitating and making those things which are imparted by any one; for they turned aside the hooks with nooses, and when they had caught hold of them firmly, drew them on by means of engines, and undermined the mound the more skillfully on this account, because there are in their territories extensive iron mines, and consequently every description of mining operations is known and practiced by them. They had furnished, more over, the whole wall on every side with turrets, and had covered them with skins. Besides, in their frequent sallies by day and night, they attempted either to set fire to the mound, or attack our soldiers when engaged in the works; and, moreover, by splicing the upright timbers of their own towers, they equaled the height of ours, as fast as the mound had daily raised them, and countermined our mines, and impeded the working of them by stakes bent and sharpened at the ends, and boiling pitch and stones of very great weight, and prevented them from approaching the walls.

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