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===[COMMITTED]=== Celtic Unit Helmets

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I make this topic to ask for some help on references and naming for the celtic helmets. So far i have made thise:

Updated 11/06/18 : 17 helmets Total.

Agen type:

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Montefortino:

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Ciumesti Raven:

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Ciumesti:

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Berru:

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Classic Coolus:

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Coolus:

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Crested Etruscan:

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Crested Urnfield:

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Marne:

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Port Alessia:

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Waterloo:

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References i have for now:

Osprey Rome Enemies 2

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Unknow source:

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@wackyserious iron textures (gray scale) could be edited to match this colours?:

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That would save me a lot of time while i wait for every baking in 1024 (needs to be baked in that resolution and afterwards scaled for have a clean baking).
This are the ones i got:

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16 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

@Alexandermb Just drop the necessary files in this thread :)

Have fun with thise 6, only a few more to replace the light infantry ones then i can go for the crow
 

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@wackyserious New mesh, i'm reworking the celtic helmets they have the same age of the greek topic. If they are approved would be even better if they reach alpha 24 with the celtic unit textures.
8 Helmets for now you can use this mod folder for testing, the gaul champion cavalry has the variants: Celtic_Helmets.7z

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This is pretty awesome. Sorry for asking again but any chance you could record the process  for one helmet and upload it to somewhere ? Those textures look absolutely gorgeous !

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Agen (Brass/Bronze/Silver/Modified Spec)

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Helmet A-1 (Brass/Bronze/Silver/Modified Spec)

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Helmet A-2 (Brass/Bronze/Silver/Modified Spec)

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Helmet A-3 (Brass/Bronze/Silver/Modified Spec)

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Helmet B-2 (Brass/Bronze/Silver/Modified Spec)

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Helmet B-3 (Brass/Bronze/Silver/Modified Spec)

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Helmet C (Brass/Bronze/Silver/Modified Spec)

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16 hours ago, stanislas69 said:

Sorry for asking again but any chance you could record the process  for one helmet and upload it to somewhere ?
Those textures look absolutely gorgeous !

Thanks! Will try to make one on the next celtic helmet or the crow itself.

This are the amount of helmets so far with the new textures:

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For now they are organized as:

  1. A: Agen type
  2. B: Basic
  3. C: Haven't finished this serie yet
  4. D: Conic helmets
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16 hours ago, stanislas69 said:

Sorry for asking again but any chance you could record the process  for one helmet and upload it to somewhere ?

Managed to record the making of this helmet:

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Havent baked it yet but the result will be just like others helmets, the video is 14:31 lenght and is 1GB size know any way for reduce the size and a good place for upload it ?

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2 hours ago, Alexandermb said:
  • B: Basic

The 4 helmets on the left row of B is the "Celtic Montefortino Helmet" (later also used by the Romans).

The 4 helmets on the right row of B is the "Coolus Helmet" (later also used by the Romans)

 

2 hours ago, Alexandermb said:
  • C: Haven't finished this serie yet

C looks like the Ciumesti helmet, without the raven crest, essentially a ceremonial variation of the Montefortino type

 

2 hours ago, Alexandermb said:
  • D: Conic helmets

Conical helmets seem to be known as the Marne type and the Berru type

I'd take another look at the exact shape of the Berru type:

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The darker helmet on the far right looks like a Bronze Age Villanovan or Urnfield culture helmet (crested helmet/kamhelm).

 

Don't know if you've ever seen these beautiful ceremonial types before:

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Agris Helmet:

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Amfreville helmet:

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Some of it I believe are Etruscan, could've been looted by the Celts. Would be very useful and serve more purpose, so carry on. :) Plus it is referenced in the images that they used it, similar to how Hannibal's veterans equipped themselves with the battle gear of the Roman legion in his campaign.

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32 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

Some of it I believe are Etruscan, could've been looted by the Celts. Would be very useful and serve more purpose, so carry on. :) Plus it is referenced in the images that they used it, similar to how Hannibal's veterans equipped themselves with the battle gear of the Roman legion in his campaign.

 

54 minutes ago, Alexandermb said:

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These ones are indeed Villanovan/Etruscan crested helmets (bronze age). The rest are Celtic though, except for the other crested Urnfield Culture helmet, which is also Bronze Age (pre-Celtic).

 

54 minutes ago, Alexandermb said:

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This one looks a bit like an awkward mix between the Coolus and the Roman Imperial Gallic Helmet. 

For it to look like the classic Coolus with cheek guards, it should look more like this:

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Raven Helmet:

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Comparisson:

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Fixed coolus:

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PD: I know the wrong faction helmet/shield/hero, just showing how it looks all together.

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@Sundiata It could be a way to turn this sculpts in a 2D cubic texture?

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Like this:

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Later if the correct file is achieved i could do this with a 2D object:

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And finish the shape manually.

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Recorded the making off this helmet (last video was deleted unintentionally) found a compression method with VLC from 2.56gb to 56mb i'm uploading to youtube for link

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Edit: Video uploaded

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  1. A-H: Montefortino.
  2. C: Agen.
  3. B: Coolus.
  4. K: Classic Coolus.
  5. D-E: Ciumesti.
  6. F: Berru.
  7. G: Marne.
  8. i: Etruscan Crested.
  9. j: Etruscan Urnfield.
     
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Ciumesti Raven

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This is the B3

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This is the Meyrick helmet.

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This bronze helmet used to be thought of as an Ancient British helmet, however the label in the display case now attributes it to a Roman, or a Briton serving in the Roman army, due to the Roman numerals engraved on the side.

(http://legio-wargames.com/blog/4591469581/tags/Celts)

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