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===[TASK]=== Celtic Unit Textures

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On 1/2/2019 at 4:37 PM, Alexandermb said:

The mistletoe headdres? i'll be doing it soon :).

If it helps you, the wire suspected to be this kind of headdress found in a burial in Germany:

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24 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

If it helps you, the wire suspected to be this kind of headdress found in a burial in Germany:

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There was another picture with that headdres:

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On 1/5/2019 at 11:46 AM, Genava55 said:

For levy unit, there is an attested cap found on relief. It could be useful for variation in the basic versions of some unit:

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For the wicker shield attested in Gauls (according to Caesar), it could be useful for the javelin thrower:

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Bonus (1950s):

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For the textile / leather cap, how EBII depicted them:

Cisalpine warriors from EBII:

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Armorican warriors from EBII:

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Germanic units from EBII:

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@wackyserious maybe we could use this in the meantime if you have something planned for later:

On 11/7/2017 at 6:22 PM, wackyserious said:

A (very) minor update.

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In the current state the brit champion texture terrible compared to the rest of the units, because of the low texture resolution it has.

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On 11/1/2019 at 10:01 PM, Alexandermb said:

@wackyserious maybe we could use this in the meantime if you have something planned for later:

In the current state the brit champion texture terrible compared to the rest of the units, because of the low texture resolution it has.

current champion is discarded... 

Genava said isn't accurate unit.

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On 2/4/2019 at 9:04 PM, Genava55 said:

 

 

Germanic units from EBII:

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what exact variants of celtic helmets are they wearing?

 

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41 minutes ago, Orphydian said:

what exact variants of celtic helmets are they wearing?

These are Lugians (Celticized eastern germanics, ancestors of the vandals).

The iron ones are sometimes called Port helmet; they were more common in Gaul but there are finds of them in the east like the Simiechow helmet.

The bronze one is a pretty generic; it seems to have a lip on the back so maybe it's a Coolus.

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I see that as a simplified Siemechow type isnt it ? actually I like the general shape more than the original finding

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1 minute ago, Orphydian said:

I see that as a simplified Siemechow type isnt it ? actually I like the general shape more than the original finding

You mean the bronze one ?

I think it's likely a Coolus variant (There are no examples of bronze Port helmets); although Germans did sometimes remove the cheekguards on looted helmets.

This is a Roman helmet modified by Batavians:

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nah the iron one. It seems like that exact subsubvariant lol of Port/Siemenchow must to have existed. it has some very nice shape. I ll have to asked more the EB II about this helmet and better images for it

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31 minutes ago, Orphydian said:

Siemechow type

The Port helmet is thought to be the ancestor of the Imperial Gallic series. Initially the Siemechow helmet has been thought to be a Roman helmet but recent historians highlighted the similarity with other late version of Celtic helmets in the East. The Eastern helmets didn't have a consistent type in the literature but they are clearly close to the Port type. A generic "Mihovo type" has been used but not consistently. The problem with the "Eastern Celtic type" is the misleading usage, confusing Montefortino-like Eastern helmets with the Port-like Eastern helmets.

But anyway, I checked it is clearly the Siemechow type that has been used in the concept of the Lugian Late Swordsmen (I recently entered the team).

37 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

The bronze one is a pretty generic; it seems to have a lip on the back so maybe it's a Coolus.

Sort of. I think they added this generic bronze helmet to several elite germanic units because they faced the issue of the overwhelming absence of any evidence surrounding this topic for the Pre-Roman Iron Age.

So it is not officially a Coolus but... it is like one.

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Just now, Orphydian said:

nah the iron one. It seems like that exact subsubvariant lol of Port/Siemenchow have to have existed. I ll have to asked more the EB II about this helmet and better images for it

It's also possible that they speculated and gave them a similar helmet from other region.

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4 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

Sort of. I think they added this generic bronze helmet to several elite germanic units because they faced the issue of the overwhelming absence of any evidence surrounding this topic for the Pre-Roman Iron Age.

So it is not officially a Coolus but... it is like one.

It reminds me a bit of the Dusseldorf helmet but without horns.

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18 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

This is a Roman helmet modified by Batavians:

The Coolus-Mannheim are exclusively in Bronze while the Gelduba is in iron (yes the rust make it misleading at the first sight). And it is probably a Weisenau (Imperial Gallic) modified helmet (or a very late Port like helmet).

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1 minute ago, Genava55 said:

The Coolus-Mannheim are exclusively in Bronze while the Gelduba is in iron (yes the rust make it misleading at the first sight). And it is probably a Weisenau (Imperial Gallic) modified helmet (or a very late Port like helmet).

Do you think the Gelduba helmet had horns ?

I know it was found with horns, but not sure if they belonged to another item.

There is a bump (In red) in the side that may have been a attachment point, or maybe it's just damage.

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11 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

It reminds me a bit of the Dusseldorf helmet but without horns.

Yes it is a common design for helmet, although the Dusseldorf is maybe linked to Italic and Greco-Italic helmets because of the back neck-guard. However it was an old analogy made in the literature so it is only a hypothesis. Sadly the origin of the Dusseldorf helmet is obscure and the dating is entirely based on the typology/technology... which is not certain either.

 

5 minutes ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

Do you think the Gelduba helmet had horns ?

Probably not. At least I never seen an author suggesting this. The bump seems a bit small for a fixation. Maybe it is a repair.

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On 6/8/2020 at 7:00 PM, Genava55 said:

Probably not. At least I never seen an author suggesting this. The bump seems a bit small for a fixation. Maybe it is a repair.

I was wrong about it being found alongside horns.

I mistook it for the somewhat similar Kessel helmet.

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