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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]

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28 minutes ago, Sundiata said:

That's because she's a Meroitic Period ruler and her Stela is written in the Meroitic language which is significantly different from the Late Egyptian used in the Nastasen and Harsiotef stelae. Not much to be done about that. I suspect she would have had an Egyptian style name as well, like her successors Amanitore and Natakamani, who used both Meroitic and Egyptian, but we don't have any inscriptions to show for it...

That makes sense.

Nonetheless, we should still aim to get the other three consistent.

I also had a look at the Kushite champions:

  • Noble Cavalry: <SpecificName>Htr Ms’ n mh-ib</SpecificName>
  • Meroitic War Elephant: <SpecificName>Abore ‘h3</SpecificName>
  • Noble Archer: <SpecificName>Hry pdty</SpecificName>
  • Napatan Temple Guard: <SpecificName>rs ‘Imn</SpecificName>
  • Meroitic Temple Guard: <SpecificName>rs ‘Iprmk</SpecificName>

So shouldn't Arakamani have “Irk-k-Imn Hnm-ib-R” and Harsiotef have “Hr-sʒ-it.f sʒ-mri-Imn” (plus proper diacritics) as their respective specific name? And Nastasen?

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2 minutes ago, Nescio said:

So shouldn't Arakamani have “Irk-k-Imn Hnm-ib-R” and Harsiotef have “Hr-sʒ-it.f sʒ-mri-Imn” (plus proper diacritics) as their respective specific name? And Nastasen?

Yeah, it's up to you. The transliteration is probably more readable than the diacritics for most people though, (I honestly can't read or write proper diacritics myself..)

For Nastasen:

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17 minutes ago, Sundiata said:

Yeah, it's up to you. The transliteration is probably more readable than the diacritics for most people though, (I honestly can't read or write proper diacritics myself..)

It seems most Kushites structures and units use transliterations that don't insert vowels, so it would be inconsistent to do something else for the heroes, don't you think?

I'm assuming the raised commas represent the voiced pharyngeal fricative /ʕ/ and glottal stop /ʔ/ and should thus be written as ʿ (ayin/ayn) and ʾ (aleph/hamza), not with single quotation marks ‘ and ’.

However, is that 1840648406_.png.a4ebc3184ff436b80d4f7af4a2e1f259.pnga ʒ (ezh), a 3 (three), or something else?

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12 minutes ago, Nescio said:

I'm assuming the raised commas represent the voiced pharyngeal fricative /ʕ/ and glottal stop /ʔ/ and should thus be written as ʿ (ayin/ayn) and ʾ (aleph/hamza), not with single quotation marks ‘ and ’.

yes, probably...

 

12 minutes ago, Nescio said:

However, is that 1840648406_.png.a4ebc3184ff436b80d4f7af4a2e1f259.pnga ʒ (ezh), a 3 (three), or something else?

It's some kind of e

 

@Djedptahiuefankh did some good work here: 

But then he disappeared from the forum... :( 

 

Although he wrote the 1840648406_.png.a4ebc3184ff436b80d4f7af4a2e1f259.png as an "o", so I don't know... :S

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13 minutes ago, Sundiata said:

yes, probably...

It's some kind of e

@Djedptahiuefankh did some good work here: 

But then he disappeared from the forum... :( 

Kushites wrote in Egyptian hieroglyphs, right?

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25 minutes ago, Nescio said:

However, is that 1840648406_.png.a4ebc3184ff436b80d4f7af4a2e1f259.pnga ʒ (ezh), a 3 (three), or something else?

Found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogh#In_Egyptology

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The game font can't handle hieroglyphs or specialist symbols, but does have the ayin and yogh:

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Also, kush_catafalque.xml has <SpecificName>Shanakdakheto</SpecificName>; do you happen to know the original transliteration?

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7 minutes ago, Nescio said:

Shanakdakheto

That's the name of a Meroitic Period Queen. Her name was recorded in Meroitic Hieroglyphics (different from Egyptian Hieroglyphics).

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(Rulling queens called themselves "sons" of the gods to emphasize that they were on a par with male rulers preceding and succeeding them)

 

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13 minutes ago, Stan` said:

I can wait for it to be changed before committing D2624

Go ahead, catafalques are a separate case (also for other civs).

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Yesterday YouTube channel Hometeam History uploaded a video about the ancient history of Kush, mentioning its archers, decisive naval battle against Lower Egypt, fictional story of Macedonia avoiding Meroe, and Rome's inability to defeat them.

It's a fun short listen if you're interested in history. Every video feels a bit embellished as a non-historian (sources are listed in his Patreon apparently), but the voice is quite soothing. I listen to the videos during my workouts.

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On 6/5/2020 at 2:59 AM, SDM said:

Yesterday YouTube channel Hometeam History uploaded a video about the ancient history of Kush, mentioning its archers, decisive naval battle against Lower Egypt, fictional story of Macedonia avoiding Meroe, and Rome's inability to defeat them.

It's a fun short listen if you're interested in history. Every video feels a bit embellished as a non-historian (sources are listed in his Patreon apparently), but the voice is quite soothing. I listen to the videos during my workouts.

Thanks for sharing! I actually saw it. Not too bad...

I agree, his videos are a little embellished. He tries though, but it's not quite up to academic standards. But I think they're decent intro's to relatively obscure chapters in African history. I occasionally see a video of his. 

There's an amazing piece of art shared in the video you linked, and I really love it!

Kingdom of Kush Kushite ruler Queen Amanirenas Kandake Meroitic Meroë Sudanese pyramids Begrawiya Nubia History Africa Antiquity Royals art.jpg

I don't even know who made this :( It almost looks like @Victor Rossi's work, but I didn't see anything on his artstation page, and reverse image searches turn up nothing? Was it commissioned specifically for the video?? Don't know. But it's on point!

I still have hundreds of references to post... I've fallen so hopelessly behind... 

 

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