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2 minutes ago, stanislas69 said:

Did they use it all on their shields ?

No are evidence, but Lordgood wants use patterns and art from Zapotec but wrongly he is using Aztec symbols and design.

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1 minute ago, stanislas69 said:

Yeah but the idea is not to replace a wrong pattern by another inaccurate one.

Artistic lincense. the pattern is inspirational. I'm doing a post about Aztecs to compare with them.

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I meant there is no reason to put those awesome animals representations on shields if that is not more accurate than them using aztec patterns.

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The Zapotecs are still live even as a minor indigenous culture today. so they living in Aztec time frame.

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Recall that, as we had seen previously, the typical shield was a slug(rodela), called chimalli. A word of Nahuatl origin that means shield or protection. They were shields made of various materials; For example, wood, with which the so-called "cuauhchimalli" were made, could also be made with maize cane, with which the "otlachimalli" were made. There were also some shields made of precious metals, or decorated with feathers, called "māhuizzoh chimalli".

 

https://puri2aprendiendovida.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/mas-escudos-del-mexico-precolombino/

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The Chimalli (from Nahuatl:Shield) was the traditional defensive armament of the indigenous tribes of Mexico. These shields varied in design and purpose.

Otlachimalli consisted of maize cane with the individual strands double-twisted with interwoven cotton or maguey fibers. On the front ornaments were attached in the form of faces, legendary figures and other illustrations which were meant to convey heraldry and status of the user. These representations were worked with colorful feathers in the form of a mosaic. In addition, materials such as beaten copper and gold would be used for decoration. The Otlachimalli was used as a battle shield. The reverse was reinforced by horizontal and vertical wooden struts. A leather cover was used to protect the carrying arm. In some shields tortoise shell was used to manufacture decorations.

The Cuauhchimalli was made of wood and decorated in the same manner as the Otlachimalli. On the cuauhchimalli also mosaics from stone chips were sometimes applied. The reverse was equipped with two leather straps which were used for carrying the shield. In both types a leather pad was attached to the front as the basis for the ornaments, and they had a curtain of leather "straps" attached to the bottom portion of the shield which served as extra protection from arrows.

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The work of conservation of this piece, which was elaborated in the sixteenth century by the Amantecs, will be in charge of restorers María Olvido Moreno and Laura Filloy, specialists in feather art. According to the restorer Emmanuel Lara, who made a historical study of the piece, the Mexica/Aztec shield is delicate by the nature of the materials that constitute it, in addition to that it has several missing, like feline skin, as well as some gold sheets and feathers .

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And in the same way as in the Middle Ages, these shields were used in war, decorated with symbols or, either of the rulers, glyphs of the cities or of the pre-Hispanic military orders to which its owner belongs, as seen in Images of the Mendoza codex that I present below:

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This other well preserved is in Europe

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in this Museum

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This is other well preserved.

Resultado de imagen para Mayan Shields

 

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Mayan Warfare

The Mayans had both long-distance weapons and melee weapons. The long distance ones included bow and arrow, blowgun, slings and throwing spears. When the atlatl or spear thrower was brought to the Mayans from Teotihuacan around 400 A.D., it was quickly adopted and became the Mayans’ dominant long distance weapon. The atlatl greatly increased the accuracy, force and range of the spear; when thrown from an atlatl a spear reportedly could pierce the Spaniards’ metal armor. The blowgun was predominantly used for hunting, but it had some wartime uses as well. Mayan warriors used bow and arrows more during the Post-Classical era.

 

Melee Weapons

When armies clashed in battles, they used melee weapons, including clubs, axes, stabbing spears and knives. They Mayan war club resembled that the Macuahuitl of the Aztecs in that it was lined with obsidian blades on three sides. These 42-in long clubs could stun, break bones or cut. They were capable of cutting off a horse’s head. Mayans also used axes with heads of stone, obsidian, flint or bronze. The sharp edge of the axe could kill, but the dull edge could stun. The object of the battle was often to capture, not kill, enemy warriors, making the axe a good weapon. In hand to hand combat, the Mayans used the same 10-inch blade knives they used in sacrifices.

 

Unusual Weapon

The Popul Voh, the book of the Kiche Maya, tells of hornets and wasps used as defensive weapons. When attackers came, defending warriors had gourds filled with hornets that they threw into the midst of the attackers. Hornets erupted out of the gourds and angrily attacked, killing many warriors. The defenders won the battle. 

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Mesoamerican Village

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Central American cultures. 

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Zapotec Burial

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Zapotec Princess. 

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Mayan Classic

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Toltecs

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2 hours ago, LordGood said:

I dont trust that reconstruction of Monte Alban. It's too vertical to match other mesoamerican architecture

Look some post classical Mayan, but the color... and the landscape I like so much, not all Mesoamerica is a jungle.

the highland Mexican cultures have these landscape.

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22 minutes ago, LordGood said:

I don't mean the landscape, i mean the verticality of the reconstructed parts of the buildings

Yes, look post classic, .I answer that, buy the color of the sctructures is interesting.

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I think we need to start to talk about another civilization that lands in the time period and area:

The Mixtecs.

I found some links, the first one is much more complete, but it's in Spanish, I'll see what info I can get from it:

 

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura_mixteca

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixtec

http://www.historiacultural.com/2010/.../cultura-mixteca-mesoamerica.ht...

http://lahistoriamexicana.mx/antiguo-mexico/cultura-mixteca

One curious thing I read about them is that they did have bows.

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Here's what i think could be their icon, its an artifact made by them with a sacred rock called "Turquesa" and gold, it was very important for them and represents their culture, its related with the sun:

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHAY9dpEysAGGBJGUeuuE

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29 minutes ago, Indibil said:

Here's what i think could be their icon, its an artifact made by them with a sacred rock called "Turquesa" and gold, it was very important for them and represents their culture, its related with the sun:

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHAY9dpEysAGGBJGUeuuE

their emblem? thats not aztec? you know well than me. in  late pre Classic/Classic age?

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40 minutes ago, Indibil said:

I think we need to start to talk about another civilization that lands in the time period and area:

The Mixtecs.

I found some links, the first one is much more complete, but it's in Spanish, I'll see what info I can get from it:

 

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura_mixteca

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixtec

http://www.historiacultural.com/2010/.../cultura-mixteca-mesoamerica.ht...

http://lahistoriamexicana.mx/antiguo-mexico/cultura-mixteca

One curious thing I read about them is that they did have bows.

provide more information, they look more important in the post classic.

and how are their buildings?

their warrior(Classic)

Heroes?

Wonders?

Emblem?

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A partir del siglo X se dan las condiciones que permitieron el florecimiento de la cultura mixteca.

In the X Century there are conditions that allowed therise of the Mixtec culture.

 

So Answers is not for 0AD may be for MIllenium AD

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