Phase restrictions?

[LordGood]

I was just reminiscing about feudal and dark age lock games in aok, and realized we don't really have anything like that here. I know it's not important, really, but village battles could be fun and interesting. And great for campaigns too. 

[Lion.Kanzen]

The phase passing is quickly.( very) from village to middle phase...

the citizen soldiers is the problem  and the resources are very near of CC, we noticed this with @wowgetoffyourcellphone.

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

In AOEseries ( AOE - AOM ) you can't build fans until create granary ( farmstead in 0AD)  and the hunt and free food is primordial 

berry bushes , Wild huntables and domestic animal are great source of food.

[av93]

Day of suggestions, today?

Here, mine, is the aim that in all game all strategies should be viable (rush, turtle, boom).

In phase/tier 1, I thought about a RPS system:
-Spearman could be the only unit available until phase 1.5, that in numbers are enough tankier to take CC and towers.
-Cavalry skirmishers are good against them, but lose to structures.

So spear infantry>towers/cc>skirmisher cav>spear infantry.

Blacksmith allows tier 1.5 could be a strategic decision buildable in phase 1: to build them or make another barrack.
-Unlocks infantry skirmishers, with good dps against infantry in general and against ranged cav. Shorter range than towers so they are good for raiding and defend, but not against defensive buildings.
-Unlocks also cavalry swordsman, good against ranged infantry, slightly better than spear infantry against buildings. Could be soft-countered with skirmisher cavalry with hit&tactics.
-Allows military techs in phase II

*Swordman, slingers, and the other cav available in phase II or in tier 1.5?

Romans and Iberians could be subvert this: Romans could train swordsman (Good against infantry and also better against buildings. Countered by well guarded or hit&run ranged infantry, and ranged infantry.) and Iberians skirmishers instead of spearman in phase I.

You then you can try to rush with spears/cav skirmishers, turtle up with towers. At mid phase I you get 2 units that counter each other, being skirmisher a good defense unit but also support unit to rush. Or you can skip and go to phase II for better eco tech and better soldiers.

The problem by design is that booming allows a good mass of soldiers that can defence. Making skirmishers less common in phase I would solve this without dropping c/s concept. Also barracks soldiers could start in advanced rank so choices between training them in CC or barracks have actual consequences. And also targeting them when raiding. CC could train only women and spear infantry and one limited explorer unit (cav skirmisher skin without javelins). Spearman trained there could go with milita status (can't rank and military upgrades doesn't affect them)

Let's hope that some ideas help someone (either the base game or some mod)

[Lion.Kanzen]

In phase 1 all soldiers would  be militia, they aren't citizen soldiers yet, village solder may be ( militia)  their attack is very low. The scout cavalry the same.

1.5 they reach more skill and better equipement  so the first military tech  can be citizen soldier.

[LordGood]

Lol maybe this topic is misunderstood; I mean a setting in the game menu that locks a single player or mp game's max phase.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Starting and ending age setting ( phase)

[Lion.Kanzen]

@av93 can be nice split the post and  the possibility  to still Talimng about Village Phase.

Edited October 7, 2016 by Lion.Kanzen

[av93]

Then today is my day of misundersanting

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

with 3 phases I dont see this useful yet.

[LordGood]

Oh I dunno. If someone's having fun city-building and spraying citizen soldiers, siege weapons and champions are going to ruin his fun.

feudal age fights were fun because of the massive fights that would win little ground, and the counters were very bare bones

i think it would be just as, if not more fun in 0ad. Village phase defenses are rare and unnecessary considering how quickly you'd want to push through it. 

[Lion.Kanzen]

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think it would be just as, if not more fun in 0ad. Village phase defenses are rare and unnecessary considering how quickly you'd want to push through it. 

Yes, the CC ruins the fun in early, may be have too much range, in AOK only fires short range 

[LordGood]

1 hour ago, av93 said:

Then today is my day of misundersanting

More so my day of not explaining things clearly, haha

[fcxSanya]

I didn't find a ticket for the corresponding match setup settings, but we have one for map-specific/Atlas configuration: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/1404. It's not completely implemented yet, but it's already possible to set starting/disabled technologies (including phases) in the map files, see example here: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/16444#file2 , so you at least can make a map (or a variation of existing one) to playtest this idea.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

Would be useful for Deathmatch too (I say the majority of Deathmatch battles would want to start in the last phase). Also, remember "Post-" phase options. What mean by "Post-City Phase" you are ask? It means all the techs are automatically researched through that phase. So, Post-Town Phase would have all the research automatically done up through Town Phase, but not City Phase. A lot of Deathmatch battles in AOK era was Post-Imperial. This make a problem with Paired techs, but they could still be there, but free and instant (so the player can still choose, like the Seleucid reforms techs).

Also, make sure it is extensible.  Some mods have more than 3 phase.  

[Lion.Kanzen]

14 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Would be useful for Deathmatch too (I say the majority of Deathmatch battles would want to start in the last phase). Also, remember "Post-" phase options. What mean by "Post-City Phase" you are ask? It means all the techs are automatically researched through that phase. So, Post-Town Phase would have all the research automatically done up through Town Phase, but not City Phase. A lot of Deathmatch battles in AOK era was Post-Imperial. This make a problem with Paired techs, but they could still be there, but free and instant (so the player can still choose, like the Seleucid reforms techs).

Also, make sure it is extensible.  Some mods have more than 3 phase.  

Random choice may be.