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Can you do the Pharos Lighthouse for the Ptolemaic wonder? The wonder that was actually classified as a wonder from the Ptolemaic Kingdom?

@Lion: I think most, if not all Ptolemaic buildings looked more Egyptian than Greek, because the builders were mostly Egyptians themselves.

i know, the temples, houses, market.... all are egyptian
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Ugh no no no no! 2000 years off date and it can hardly be considered 'monumental' by any means.

The Iberian wonder should be something based on the Cancho Roano sanctuary complex (built c. 550 BC, destroyed by fire c. 370 BC). Really, it's the only thing trully native (although some say it has Phoenician influences) and trully monumental building in the Iberian Peninsula close to the game's period (I know you already used the Pozo Moro tombs as models for the Iberian "venerated monument").

http://www.iam.csic.es/imagenes/proyectos/CANCHOROANO.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PoBahv2XsdY/TeCnsoBZ_HI/AAAAAAAAB0U/od4xEXaz8UE/s400/cancho_roano1.jpg

http://www.vivirextremadura.es/wp-content/uploads/014_cancho_roano_07.jpg

http://www.manuelgago.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/cancho_3.jpg

Restorations

http://www.uv.es/~alabau/Image17.gif

http://doc-0k-8g-3dwarehouse.googleusercontent.com/3dwarehouse/secure/hhulr73hmmak89paul31eote4ben7ngk/9aquol2022gampo3sr0lus4j8c5fv5le/1358121600000/lt/*/57477ce6f9a6a80ae1f84a94ad02d528?ts=1206578288000&ctyp=other

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-guULYkruJtU/TsK1mTZnQXI/AAAAAAAAB70/-NQkXBoGtyA/s1600/Sin%2Bt%25C3%25ADtulo%2B1.png

Objects found inside

http://www.uv.es/~alabau/Image19.gif

http://kikeoliva.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/fig6_1-cancho-roano.jpg?w=655

http://www.hoy.es/prensa/noticias/200803/27/fotos/006D4BADP3_1.jpg

This is an example of Tartessian culture. In general, the Tartessians (and their successors/descendats, the Turdetanians) were the Iberians more civilized and received a lot of influences from Greeks and Phonicians. In fact, the game's Iberian temple is based on a Tartessian temple IIRC. Some locations even have temples to East Mediterranean divinities like this Ishtar temple from El Carambolo near Seville:

http://multiply.com/mu/almogavar/image/2/photos/127/600x600/7/103-0278.JPG?et=0SDEhoe7pShOUBflJYOZ4w&nmid=294704519(first phase)

http://multiply.com/mu/almogavar/image/20/photos/127/600x600/8/103-0279.JPG?et=67kl1aipC3yckk6LA%2CDbJA&nmid=294704519(second phase)

http://multiply.com/mu/almogavar/image/2/photos/127/600x600/9/103-0280.JPG?et=NtZSfV1VO%2Cv795W3ps8u%2BQ&nmid=294704519

http://www.elcorreoweb.es/resources/archivos/2011/1/22/1295727741814gransev20dn.jpg

Now, of course, was this Iberian or Phoenician? Well, I'm not sure, that's why I did not propose it as an Iberian wonder. But Cancho Roano is so far inland and so separate from Phoenician ports and trade routes that it only can be the work of natives.

Others that could show up as eye candy in Iberian maps and the scenario editor are the Guisando bulls in the province of Avila (2nd century BC).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gZbaJgor-M4/TpMIE83LjTI/AAAAAAAAAIs/-D4LTxcgKi8/s1600/Toros_de_Guisando.jpg

http://esphoto980x880.mnstatic.com/los-toros-de-guisando_397104.jpg

These are the biggest and are quite eroded, but bull statues are common in the Iberian Peninsula through the period

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Toro_%C3%ADbero_de_Osuna_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01.jpg

http://www.cronicadigitaldejaen.es/cronica/paginas/44/4.-_Toro_iberico_de_Arjona._Museo_arqueologico_de_Granada.Foto_I._Castro.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-pxkw--56s0/TTH1IhGX1KI/AAAAAAAAANM/_qAKpW3u00E/s1600/TORO+PORCUNA.jpg

http://www.decorarconarte.com/WebRoot/StoreES2/Shops/61552482/49A3/AC5E/EFB3/779A/678F/C0A8/28B8/78AD/web50003%5B1%5D.jpg

along with combinations of bulls with other things

http://almansaenbici.usuarios.tvalmansa.com/encuentros/imgs/E5Balazote_Bicha.jpg lol

Alternatively if the Iberian civ gets divided between an Iberian proper and a "Celtiberian" one (including not just the Celtiberians but other Celtic/IE peoples of the Western Iberian Peninsula like the Lusitanians and the Cantabrians) the Guisandos could be the Celtiberian wonder and Cancho Roano the Iberian proper wonder. I know it's unlikely but there there is the Gaul/Briton partition precedent.

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Can you do the Pharos Lighthouse for the Ptolemaic wonder? The wonder that was actually classified as a wonder from the Ptolemaic Kingdom?

@Lion: I think most, if not all Ptolemaic buildings looked more Egyptian than Greek, because the builders were mostly Egyptians themselves.

like i've said before, i think that the Pharos Lighthouse/Lighthouse of Alexandria should be reserved as an editor-only wonder because a lighthouse would seem to imply water being on the map as a requirement. therefore, i'd recommend a more iconically Egyptian wonder (and relegate the Library of Alexandria to the basic Macedonians)
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like i've said before, i think that the Pharos Lighthouse/Lighthouse of Alexandria should be reserved as an editor-only wonder because a lighthouse would seem to imply water being on the map as a requirement. therefore, i'd recommend a more iconically Egyptian wonder (and relegate the Library of Alexandria to the basic Macedonians)

That would make the most sense. I also agree on reserving the pharos lighthouse as an alternative.

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I'd like the lighthouse to be a 'Special Building' rather than a wonder. Meaning, it would have a useful purpose other than just being a Wonder. Indeed, I would like it to have a 'shoreline' build restriction and once it's built it lifts all the black map over all the water on the map (revealing all of the coastlines on the map to that player), or some similar bonus.

I'd like the Ptolemies' Wonder to be the Temple of Edfu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Edfu

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I'd like the lighthouse to be a 'Special Building' rather than a wonder. Meaning, it would have a useful purpose other than just being a Wonder. Indeed, I would like it to have a 'shoreline' build restriction and once it's built it lifts all the black map over all the water on the map (revealing all of the coastlines on the map to that player), or some similar bonus.

I'd like the Ptolemies' Wonder to be the Temple of Edfu.

http://en.wikipedia..../Temple_of_Edfu

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so the Macedonian lighthouses would be like the lighthouse buildings in Empire Earth, then?

as a note, there was also a lighthouse building in AOM (buildable only by the Egyptians, no less) which served a double function of just revealing a large potion of the map, water and land alike. i suggest that, if specifying that the lighthouses reveal only water turns out to be too difficult to program (or just not worth the effort) then they could conceivably reveal both land and water but are only buildable along shorelines

the Temple of Edfu definitely looks more like an iconic Egyptian wonder than the Library of Alexandria since its not only Ptolemaic but also has more distinctly Egyptian architecture and is dedicated to an Egyptian god, not to mention that it has classic Egyptian artwork on it

out of curiosity, would any heiroglyphic representations be in color? it's my understanding that the hieroglyphics that adorn tomb walls in the pyramids, at least, were at one time vibrantly colored but faded until they matched the stonework underneath. if any such representations are in color, they would definitely make the Ptolemaic buildings alot more interesting to look at

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-Moved it to a more logical location-

No no! mate, this is a great spot for stuff like that, It'll give us an idea for what to consider modelling for the future. It falls under the whole special projects and wonders bit.

Even if the monoliths perform differently from what you had in mind they could be useful eyecandy

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Most of the wonders weren't that big, remember the Great Pyramid was both the tallest and overall largest of them all and this is included as a 3D model... I think I saw the hanging gardens of Babylon in there too. Historic writers tended to overemphasise how large these things were, and even when they gave dimensions, there was no standardised unit of measurement in the ancient world and many of the units they used, the true lengths are no longer known.

As far as I'm aware, the Collosus of Rhodes would have been the largest statue anyone in the Eastern Med would have seen, but was still probably far smaller than today's Statue of Liberty.

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