Orpheus

Hey @jonbaer, I was thinking in this direction : ) Thank you for clarifying it for me. It seems many of the very important archaeological discoveries about the Thracians are made in the last 10-15 years. After one night of documentaries on the subject I am even more amazed from this civilization. For example: First info about them - 5500 B.C. Oldest golden and silver items found in the world. First metal dishes, plates and tools. Best mining with mines up to 2000 people and 500 meters deep. Precise stone structures where cut stones 60 tones heavy can be found. The stone city Perperikon - built and cut entirely into a rock. Dolmens and Stonehenge like structures. Invention and first use of baked bricks. Heavily rely on evolved farming with seed cultures which can not be found in the Europe's wild life and are import from Asia. One of the six places in the world where animal breeding will emerge independently. Hunting with hunting dogs. Established merchant routes and wide diplomacy. They import copper bars with ships on 2000 km route from Cyprus island. Single type advanced ship fit all needs. See what Omir say in "Iliad" about the ally of the Trojans - thracian king Rhesus: "Rhesus, son of Eioneus, is their royal leader. He has the tallest, finest horses I ever saw, whiter than snow and fast as the wind. His chariot is finely worked in gold and silver, and he brought his gold armour with him, huge and wondrous to look on. It is armour fit for a deathless god, not a mere mortal. So, take me to your swift ship, or bind me as tight as you wish and leave me here, then you can quickly prove whether I tell true or no.’" And much more : ) I can see already how perfectly Thracians will fit the Game. The modern, influential and diplomatic thracian king Sevt III the Immortal with his Sevtopolis and his mound twice the size of the one of Philip II of Macedon is 400 B.C. Spartacus is 71 B.C. so we will come with something good : )

Thank you @Lion.Kanzen this is helpful, I am going to do my homework now and also will form Thracian civ team : ) The gray area is Thracia 1600 B.C.:

Hello, It is so nice and warm to be here : ) Imagine this was Microsoft and Age of Empires ... what I would be able to do then? Nothing. This is the power of open source. It will allow us to have best RTS ever while enjoying the process. I did not say that I want Thracians added immediately for the next alpha. No rush here. Lets do quality instead. I just wanted an approval and a green light from the community so I can contribute my bit. As I said earlier I can propose and provide everything related to the civ except actual graphics as I am not designer. I am sure I will not be left alone in this endeavor and others will join. @Lion.Kanzen - I have in front of me the book called The thracian language by akad. Georgiev so those people spoke own language and had own writings. Although this language is "dead" now many of their words can be found in the modern bulgarian language so have no worries about the voices. Example: πέλτη - light shield covered with skin used by thracians ῥομφαία - thracian spear or sword σκάρκη - thracian silver coin diza - fortress dama - house deba - city asdule - horseman, rider Thracian holly place Parmak Kaya with trapezium-shaped bays, falic symbol and a cave: Thracian religious structure from 1000 B.C. 34meters in size. In the center there is round cult camera 11.6 meters in diameter and 5.5meters in height. Scientists say there is no analog to this as architecture and building technology in pre-Roman and Roman eras. Thracian temple built 100 A.D. and rebuilt 400 A.D. By the way I support the idea of Chinese faction and even Korean and Japanese ones. They differ enough from each other (and the other civs) and have well documented history of endless wars between them. But let's do one thing at the time. Thank you for your time!

Again it is not about me but I guess I am done with 0 A.D. after you doing such mistake. Good luck.

You don't get it. It is not about me it is about the history and accuracy. You have another thread in the forum by another user who ask for the same thing - historical correctness by adding the Thracians. Thracians are advanced, rich civilization which not particularly look to expand more with warfare because is more spiritually oriented. In their architecture are found precise models of many constellations. Very advanced astronomy with no astronomical tools! How do they knew such things then? When they found the thracian gold treasure from Panagiurishte (the first picture in my opening post (i don't know why but it not shows all pictures i posted under firefox and under opera it works fine)) made furor in the entire world because of its dating. Before that the science was not expecting such quality in details is possible at those eras. To become on level when you create fine jewelry with gold and to bury your dead warriors with great amounts of gold and silver in specially prepared mounds with sizes like 50x50x20meters one need to solve other problems first like shelter, food and so on. One need to have the metal first yes? They had it all. They invented the wine, also ceramic pipes are found with traces of cannabis sativa in them. Orpheus is the first musician who even the animals follow and regard. Spartacus lead so big rebellion at the later ages that the Roman empire will long remember it and that Hollywood will use the plot multiple times for their productions. As far as i understood your problem is not adding the well deserved Thracians but adding all other factions which other people will like to see. Why not add factions by importance then? Why? Accordingly the official history in 681 A.D. the so called Bulgarians unite with Thracians and Slavs and create Bulgaria. I mean that I see no eventual conflict between people who may want one of the 3 mentioned. Nice special building Mound yes? Two special buildings: Do you want me to bring here entitled thracologist with several books on the subject? Seriously, is it the amount of work needed to be done the only reason or you just will deny no matter what.

You want lesson in history? Because otherwise you would not ask such question. I am not talking about adding some small faction. I am talking about dozens and dozens tribes to be presented under their single name. Do you understand that no one else was able to create such artifacts from gold at the time and what is this mean. Second biggest nation at the time is this not important to you? Apsynthii Astae Beni Bessi Bisaltae Bistones Bithyni Brenae Crousi Cebrenii Coelaletae Dersaei Edones Dentheletae Digeri Dii Diobesi Dolonci Kainoi Kikones Coreli Corpili Krestones Krobyzoi Maduateni Maedi MaedoBythini Melanditae Melanophagi Nipsaei Odrysae Paeti Phrygians Pieres Sapaei Satri Sycaeboae Scyrmiadae Sintians Sithones Thyni Tilataei Tralles Tranipsae Trausi Treres Triballi and more! I am passionated but it doesn't mean I am not right that the game will be inaccurate without thracian great warriors and culture : )

How sad to hear. And UNFAIR! I couldn't disagree more. Thracians are here at 0 A.D., populate vast territories and also are here thousands of years before that unlike other present in game factions. If they have king and army they are independent. Their problem is hat not all thracian tribes are united at the same time and often they do wars between each other instead of focus on the mutual enemies. Their art is unmatched and they give a lot to the all next cultures, empires and civilizations! Look since 50ies how many movies and tv series are produced about the thracian hero Spartacus and his rebellion.Thracians deserve to be in game. Using them as mercenaries for other factions do not seem right to me. I don't remember the map but remember the players - Arcadius and JC maybe they will know which map exactly.

Thank you for your replays! Mod wont suit me because I can't ask other players to install mod in order to play me with the thracians. Besides, imho the thracians deserve to be in the game more than other factions currently present. During the centuries thracian tribes can be found from Denmark to Ukraine and down to India. They are big and they are historically important. I can provide all necessary info about them like heroes, names, special buildings and so on. I don't push anyone but will like to have conversation with someone who can actually make such decision. Thank you for your time!

I hope they will do in the near future. When prominent thracian warrior died he was buried in so called mound with his wife and horse (alive) and his weapons and jewelry. They thought he will need them in the other world. There are hundreds of mounds found so far from todays Ukraine down to Turkey.

Nice mod but when generate random map it craches at map generation with js errors on like 80% of random map types and on the other 20% it works. For example it crashes at mainland, float ect.

Greetings dear community, I love open source, love to donate to open source projects and absolutely love 0 A.D. I have no doubt that in a few years 0 A.D. will become best RTS ever existed. Thank you to all contributors!!! However, I will not feel comfortable in game until able to play with Thracians faction and their heroes like Orpheus and Spartacus. I did see there is already thread about adding thracians in game and I really support the idea. I know they started to develop centuries earlier but in 0 A.D. they still exist and get lots of attention and conspiracies from their enemies. Masters of gold minting, jewelry creation and arts they are called "the sky nation" because of their deep spirituality and astronomic knowledge. Being warlike, ferocious, and bloodthirsty people they fight vigorously when their freedom is questioned. I am well aware that greeks stole Orpheus and the entire mythology behind! Hey, no flame war here please. In the latest Hollywood movie Orpheus is played by black actor so everything is possible these days : ) Everyone can believe whatever he likes, no problem about that, and I personally read the works of several todays phd thracologists which refer only to the ancient historian sources and not the modern, manipulated writings. It is not true that they did not have own writing characters. Thracians were referred all the time by the ancient Roman and Greek historians with their tribes names called after the local region they populate. Yes, there were more than 60 tribes of thracians. Herodotus (425 BC) would write: "The Thracian people is the most numerous one of the world; the Thracians have several names, according to their specific regions, but their habits are more or less the same." (Fontes, I, 65) The most numerous at the time after the people of todays India (more than 2 mil). At least 7 Roman emperors came from thracian provinces and are with thrace origin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_tribes_in_Thrace_and_Dacia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracia Images of the unbelievable thracian art in google: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=thracians+art&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=924&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwisjfD2hdzMAhXHtxoKHQy5BZ0Q_AUIBigB Some quotes from the above pages: " Orpheus was a legendary musician, poet, and prophet in ancient Greek religion and myth. The major stories about him are centered on his ability to charm all living things and even stones with his music, his attempt to retrieve his wife, Eurydice, from the underworld, and his death at the hands of those who could not hear his divine music. As an archetype of the inspired singer, Orpheus is one of the most significant figures in the reception of classical mythology in Western culture, portrayed or alluded in countless forms of art and popular culture including poetry, film, opera, music, and painting. According to Apollodorus and a fragment of Pindar, Orpheus' father was Oeagrus, a Thracian king; or, according to another version of the story, the god Apollo. His mother was the muse Calliope; or, a daughter of Pierus, son of Makednos. In Bulgarian tradition, Orpheus is said to have been born in the village of Gela close to Shiroka Luka in southern Bulgaria. Modern day Bulgaria occupies roughly the same territory as ancient Thrace. Virgil associates Orpheus with the land of the Getae (north east Danube valley) and even describes him wandering as far north as Tanais (estuary of the river Don, Ukraine) The first historical record about the Thracians is found in the Iliad, where they are described as allies of the Trojans in the Trojan War against the Greeks. The history of Thracian warfare spans from c. 10th century BC up to the 1st century AD in the region defined by Ancient Greek and Latin historians as Thrace. It concerns the armed conflicts of the Thracian tribes and their kingdoms in the Balkans and in the Dacian territories. Emperor Traianus conquered Dacia after two wars in the 2nd century AD. The wars finished with the occupation of the fortress of Sarmisegetusa and the death of the king Decebalus. Apart from conflicts between Thracians and neighboring nations and tribes, numerous wars were recorded among Thracian tribes too. Thrace has been producing wine for the last 5000 years. Thracians may have had a cult for the drink, as evident from the worship of Dionysus. Ancient sources suggest that Thracians were among the best winemakers. According to some theories, the first vines in Europe were brought from the Middle East and planted in what is now Southern Bulgaria. At the beginning wine was produced along the Maritsa river and around seaports. " And so on. I understand that adding another faction and balancing it is lots of work but please I will help if the devs agree to make the game more accurate and fulfilled. Other suggestions and things I like to see in game (many of them are already mentioned by other users): 1. Thracian faction. 2. The legion and army formations I saw in another thread. 3. Adding two more ages - one before 0 A.D. and one after the 3rd. 4. When I ring the alert belt the women tend to garrison military buildings which do not add more arrows. I like them to go into not military buildings and the cc only so I have more space for soldiers. 5. When random map is generated it tends to be not be entirely even for all players which is completely fine (and should be this way) but sometimes is completely uneven, for example yesterday all metal mines were in bottom half of the map and the top players lost quickly. 6. Multithreading support and the constant lags when more units are present are well known issues. I play the game with all graphic setting on low on latest Intel i7 with 16GB of RAM and still the game quickly become unplayable at later stages. 7. ... Kindly let me know what you think about and don't judge me too harsh : ) If you like the thracians faction idea please mention it here. Thank you for your time! Orpheus